by Paul L » Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:45 pm
Scrapping Values of the Hochseeflotte
If WW-I ends in stalemate and Germany is faced with the problem of keeping modern warship fleet program going, this represents a source of funding to maintain as modern a fleet as possible. If no reparations payments are made the additional funding ican be estimated by extrapolating the surviver warships x the average resale/scrapping value reported on sample ships.....to a first approximation that is.
In Eric Groner’s two volume set on the German navy “German Warships 1815-1945” documents most of the warships used by the German navy during the time period indicated. In volume two of the English translation, he reports 146 x 500-600 ton Mineboot 1914-16 were built and 109 scrapped after WW-I as part for reparations payments.
Groner documents 36 Mineboot sales with 15 ships broken up for an average price of 1,187,867 Rm, while another 21 were sold for re use averaging 1,328,333 RM each. The overall average sale price per ton works out to ~ 2164 Rm/ton. If this average is applied to all 109 scrapped boats, it totals over 131 million Rm of potential revenues.
However since most of these were scrapped by German companies their value maybe already represented in the naval purchasing of the 1920s/Early 1930s [about ½ billion Rm] . Counting only those not scraped in early 1920s in Germany, about 85 boats representing a value of about 85 million Rm of revenue, are lost to reparations payments. The problem with this approach is that it ignores the fact that many of the ships NOT SOLD had to soldier on into the 1940s due to shortage of warships in the fleet through the 1920s and 1930s. So it may be that the original figure is more representative of the sales potential given inconclusive end to WW-I.
In the same volume next section the 75 x 150 ton FM Boots are also detailed. Of these reportedly 46 were scrapped and Groner details 14 examples totaling 8.1 million RM, for an average of 578,500 RM each or 2907Rm / ton. Appling this average to the 46 scrapped boats, we get potential of ~26 million Rm total lost sales revenue.
Again like the Mineboot most were sold to German companies so the value may be already represented in the naval budget of 1922-1932. About 13 were sold to foreign countries representing an approximate lost revenue of 7.5 million RM
In the last section we get F1 class motor minesweepers, tiny 21 ton coastal craft. Groner details 85 boats of which 78 were scrapped with 16 probably broken up, while the rest are resold for civilian usage. With only several samples we find the scrapping price in 1930 was less than 900 Rm per boat while the sale price in 1921 was 290,000 Rm. The overall average is just under 7000 Rm /ton. If we apply this to the entire fleet we get a potential sales value of 18 million Rm.
Like the other minesweepers, the bulk of the vessels were scrapped in country, with only about a dozen sold abroad for a total loss of about 3.3 million RM.
Torpedoboot
Reportedly 18 x 19th century & turn of the century Gun boats and minelayers are documented with Est. potential sales value of ~5.7 MRm.
The old 19th century Torpedoboot section details 48 old Torpedoboot 7167tons @ 809Rm/ton = Est. 5,798103Rm potential sales.
Next we have 49 “Turn of the Century Torpedoboot” with total tonnage of 20627t x 419Rm/ton =
Prewar a batch of 46 Torpedoboot 1906 were built with a total tonnage of 34,179 @ 295 Rm/ton = Est. 10,082,805 Rm [1920-22] .
Prewar batch of 11 Torpedoboot 1911 were also scrapped 7751 tons @ 209 Rm/t = Est. 1,619,959 Rm potential sales lost.
Reportedly 38 Torpedoboot of the 1913 class were scrapped, however there are no documented sales since they were all turned over to the allies for scrapping. This means German lost all the resale/scrapping value of these ships. This is also true of all follow on scrapped Torpedo boots, but the total tonnage of the Type 1913 TBoots was 43,103 tons with estimated ‘replacement value’ of Est. 100 million RM.*****
The total tonnage of the 19xType 1916M Torpedoboot and the 27 unfinished models is an estimated 35,000 tons warship and an estimated ‘replacement value’ of Est. 92 million Rm. *****
Looking at Torpedoboot Zerstroers; 7 Russian models were scrapped by allies totaling 12905 tons and replacement value of about Est.33 million Rm. ***** The S113 class Torpedoboot Zerstroers has 15,531 tons warships scrapped by the allies with a replacement value of about Est.57 million Rm. ***** The estimated replacement value of the Type 1918M is Est.59 million Rm *****and the tonnage scrapped looks to be about 58.900 tons.
There were also 14 allied Torpedoboot that the Germans captured during WW-I that were taken as allied prize after the war with a total tonnage of about 14694tons.
Light Cruisers.
In the cruiser section of Groner’s 1st volume about 7 sales are documented out of the 47 Kreuzers scrapped post WW-I In the early 1920s about 5 old Kreuzers were scrapped for a total of 3.92 million Rm in revenue , representing 23,154 tons , while two other Kreuzers are sold at the end of that decade for 412 ,000 Rm in 6022 tons of warships. That’s 169Rm / ton Vs 68Rm /ton
If that is applied to all 49 Kreuzer with a total tonnage of about 215,033 tons, we get about 43 million Rm if sold in 1922 or Est. 15 million Rm if sold at the end of the 1920s decade.
Note that replacement value is not the same as scrapping value, just a way to get an idea of how to estimate an anticipated scrapping value if the war ended differently.
[u][b]Scrapping Values of the Hochseeflotte [/b][/u]
If WW-I ends in stalemate and Germany is faced with the problem of keeping modern warship fleet program going, this represents a source of funding to maintain as modern a fleet as possible. If no reparations payments are made the additional funding ican be estimated by extrapolating the surviver warships x the average resale/scrapping value reported on sample ships.....to a first approximation that is.
In Eric Groner’s two volume set on the German navy “German Warships 1815-1945” documents most of the warships used by the German navy during the time period indicated. In volume two of the English translation, [b]he reports 146 x 500-600 ton Mineboot 1914-16 were built and 109 scrapped after WW-I as part for reparations payments. [/b]
Groner documents 36 Mineboot sales with 15 ships broken up for an average price of 1,187,867 Rm, while another 21 were sold for re use averaging 1,328,333 RM each. [b]The overall average sale price per ton works out to ~ 2164 Rm/ton. If this average is applied to all 109 scrapped boats, it totals over 131 million Rm of potential revenues. [/b]
However since most of these were scrapped by German companies their value maybe already represented in the naval purchasing of the 1920s/Early 1930s [about ½ billion Rm] . Counting only those not scraped in early 1920s in Germany, about 85 boats representing a value of about 85 million Rm of revenue, are lost to reparations payments. The problem with this approach is that it ignores the fact that many of the ships NOT SOLD had to soldier on into the 1940s due to shortage of warships in the fleet through the 1920s and 1930s. So it may be that the original figure is more representative of the sales potential given inconclusive end to WW-I.
In the same volume next section the 75 x 150 ton FM Boots are also detailed. Of these reportedly 46 were scrapped and Groner details 14 examples totaling 8.1 million RM, for an average of 578,500 RM each or 2907Rm / ton. [b]Appling this average to the 46 scrapped boats, we get potential of ~26 million Rm total lost sales revenue.[/b]
Again like the Mineboot most were sold to German companies so the value may be already represented in the naval budget of 1922-1932. About 13 were sold to foreign countries representing an [b]approximate lost revenue of 7.5 million RM[/b]
In the last section we get F1 class motor minesweepers, tiny 21 ton coastal craft. Groner details 85 boats of which 78 were scrapped with 16 probably broken up, while the rest are resold for civilian usage. With only several samples we find the scrapping price in 1930 was less than 900 Rm per boat while the sale price in 1921 was 290,000 Rm. [b]The overall average is just under 7000 Rm /ton. If we apply this to the entire fleet we get a potential sales value of 18 million Rm. [/b]
Like the other minesweepers, the bulk of the vessels were scrapped in country, with [b]only about a dozen sold abroad for a total loss of about 3.3 million RM[/b].
[u][b]Torpedoboot[/b][/u]
Reportedly 18 x 19th century & turn of the century Gun boats and minelayers are documented with [b]Est. potential sales value of ~5.7 MRm.[/b]
The old 19th century Torpedoboot section details 48 old Torpedoboot 7167tons @ 809Rm/ton = [b]Est. 5,798103Rm potential sales[/b].
Next we have 49 “Turn of the Century Torpedoboot” with total tonnage of 20627t x 419Rm/ton =
Prewar a batch of 46 Torpedoboot 1906 were built with a total tonnage of 34,179 @ 295 Rm/ton = [b]Est. 10,082,805 Rm [1920-22] .[/b]
Prewar batch of 11 Torpedoboot 1911 were also scrapped 7751 tons @ 209 Rm/t = [b]Est. 1,619,959 Rm potential sales lost.[/b]
Reportedly 38 Torpedoboot of the 1913 class were scrapped, however there are no documented sales since they were all turned over to the allies for scrapping. This means German lost all the resale/scrapping value of these ships. This is also true of all follow on scrapped Torpedo boots, but the total tonnage of the Type 1913 TBoots was 43,103 tons with estimated ‘replacement value’ of [b] Est. 100 million RM.*****[/b]
The total tonnage of the 19xType 1916M Torpedoboot and the 27 unfinished models is an estimated 35,000 tons warship and an estimated ‘replacement value’ of [b]Est. 92 million Rm. *****[/b]
Looking at Torpedoboot Zerstroers; 7 Russian models were scrapped by allies totaling 12905 tons and replacement value of about Est.33 million Rm. ***** The S113 class Torpedoboot Zerstroers has 15,531 tons warships scrapped by the allies with a [b]replacement value of about Est.57 million Rm. ***** [/b]The estimated replacement value of the [b]Type 1918M is Est.59 million Rm *****and the tonnage scrapped looks to be about 58.900 tons.[/b]
There were also 14 allied Torpedoboot that the Germans captured during WW-I that were taken as allied prize after the war with a total tonnage of about 14694tons.
[u][b]Light Cruisers.[/b][/u]
In the cruiser section of Groner’s 1st volume about 7 sales are documented out of the 47 Kreuzers scrapped post WW-I In the early 1920s about 5 old Kreuzers were scrapped for a total of 3.92 million Rm in revenue , representing 23,154 tons , while two other Kreuzers are sold at the end of that decade for 412 ,000 Rm in 6022 tons of warships. That’s 169Rm / ton Vs 68Rm /ton
If that is applied to all 49 Kreuzer with a total tonnage of about 215,033 tons, [b]we get about 43 million Rm if sold in 1922 or Est. 15 million Rm if sold at the end of the 1920s decade.[/b]
[i][b]Note that replacement value is not the same as scrapping value, just a way to get an idea of how to estimate an anticipated scrapping value if the war ended differently.[/b][/i]
