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by Bill Jurens
Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:27 pm
Forum: The Wreck of the Bismarck
Topic: Stern of Bismarck
Replies: 3
Views: 312

Re: Stern of Bismarck

I don't believe so. You may be thinking of the wreck of Hood, where the stern is clear and identifiable. I know of no mapping of the Bismarck wreck site that locates the stern, although there have been various and sundry bits of stern plating found scattered around. I visited the wreck personally in...
by Bill Jurens
Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:46 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 367
Views: 22945

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

Let's all try to back off from the personal comments and slurs again. As before, they do nothing but antagonize the target, and if anything push the discussions backward rather than forward. It IS pointless -- at least in my opinion -- to involve ourselves in quibbles about turning rates and small v...
by Bill Jurens
Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:59 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 367
Views: 22945

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

The question is not whether or not Wadinga (or anyone else) can provide a credible alternative. It actually lies in determining whether or not a credible first option can be created. Someone might come to me with actual written documentation showing that my grandmother died at the age of 124, and I ...
by Bill Jurens
Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:10 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 367
Views: 22945

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

Mr. Virtuani wrote: "please keep in mind that the PoW gunnery plot shows salvo 13 fired at 5:59:45 from 15042 meters (16450 yards) but this "distance" is the gunnery range, aimed at the "future point" of the target." I am not sure that this interpretation of "gunnery range" is entirely correct. (Alt...
by Bill Jurens
Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:06 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 367
Views: 22945

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

Thank you, Alberto. Let's see if others are interested in posting alternative versions so that we can begin to identify more precisely where the sources of disagreement lie. So far as errors are concerned, it's usual to assume that they are essentially linearly related to leg length, i.e. can be rep...
by Bill Jurens
Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:34 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 367
Views: 22945

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

Formatting can sometimes be frustrating, and there appears to be no easy way to edit previous posts. With regard to the table above, the following, with better differentiation of the columns intended, may be more easily understood. LEG|BEARING |PROBABLE ERROR| SOURCE|LENGTH|PROBABLE ERROR |SOURCE A ...
by Bill Jurens
Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:29 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 367
Views: 22945

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

My feeling is that we might do better if we try to get some ideas on exactly where various correspondents stand on the measurements were are trying to determine. To that end, I would suggest we try to begin with something like the following, which may, at the very least, if filled in by multiple par...
by Bill Jurens
Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:19 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 367
Views: 22945

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

Hello Gentlemen: I have had some additional time to look over Antonio's most recent track chart, and have attached (I hope) a slightly modified and updated version with some slight modifications. This should not be interpreted as my agreement that the solution presented here is in any way "correct",...
by Bill Jurens
Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:29 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 367
Views: 22945

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

I have been able to do a bit of work lately on the track chart benchmarks posted by Mssrs. Bonomi and Virtuani over the last little while, but unfortunately cannot seem to get the forum to accept a .jpeg scan of my analysis. I will try to send a copy of my drawing directly to Mr. Rico, who can perha...
by Bill Jurens
Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:37 am
Forum: The Wreck of the Bismarck
Topic: Stern of Bismarck
Replies: 3
Views: 312

Re: Stern of Bismarck

It probably does not exist as an identifiable object. It appears that most of the shell plating aft of the main break essentially disintegrated either during detachment from the main hull proper, or on it's way to the bottom. A good deal of the deck plating in the stern area remains attached to the ...
by Bill Jurens
Sun Dec 30, 2018 5:49 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 367
Views: 22945

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

I think a bit too much has been made of the ITN Channel 4 (Mearns) expedition to find Hood in 2001, the implication being that we essentially went right to the wreck site. We did not. I was aboard during that mission, and can tell you that actually finding Hood was not as straightforward as some mig...
by Bill Jurens
Fri Dec 28, 2018 7:59 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 367
Views: 22945

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

I think the case that seems to be being made that refutation of some proposal "A" requires the presentation of a more viable or credible "B" as a substitute. If so, I think that idea is wrong. One need not know of a better alternative to claim, with validity, that a current theory is incorrect. For ...
by Bill Jurens
Fri Dec 28, 2018 1:32 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 367
Views: 22945

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

I am having trouble deciphering the chart mentioned, i.e. (download/file.php?id=3346). Although the depiction of the British track on this reconstruction appears to be clearly shown, there appear to be five nearly parallel lines relating to the German formation, accompanied by a variety of unexplain...
by Bill Jurens
Sun Dec 23, 2018 9:06 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 367
Views: 22945

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

I am smiling at the improved tone of the recent commentaries and replies. One hopes that the hatchet is now buried, and will remain buried throughout the new year. Regarding the visual observations, I seem to recall some British observations stating that there was a substantial mirage effect on some...
by Bill Jurens
Sat Dec 22, 2018 11:17 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 367
Views: 22945

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

As "plain old Bill": The posting of the messages to the Admiralty is useful, and these messages probably represent what is nearest to a primary-source as we can get. I do wonder, however, how precise or accurate these might be with regard to reconstructing a track chart. For example, do the times li...