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by Bill Jurens
Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:02 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 236
Views: 17750

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

Thanks, Antonio. I-- and I am sure at least some others as well -- greatly appreciate the efforts you are willing to take to move the investigation forward, and your patience at explaining precisely how you have arrived at various conclusions, often for the fifteenth or twentieth time. It will be in...
by Bill Jurens
Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:29 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 236
Views: 17750

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

Hello Antonio: Thanks for your recent postings. I am still struggling a bit with what we are now calling Observation Set 1, hereafter OS1. In this, I take it that you feel that the overall bearing for OS1 is more-or-less correct, but that the distance noted along the sight line is not really c. 19,7...
by Bill Jurens
Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:02 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 236
Views: 17750

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

Hello Antonio: Thanks for your commentary. I am confused. Taken as read, the P.E. track chart at 0:600 seems to show a bearing of 143 degrees true to Prince of Wales, but the range as printed on the chart seems to be 197 hm, i.e. 19,700 meters. Where did the 15000 meter "agreed upon" range figure co...
by Bill Jurens
Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:09 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 236
Views: 17750

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

Hello all: We have, it seems, once more drifted into areas where much more 'ink' is spent in editorialization rather than discussion. A few of the immediately previous are particularly offensive in that regard. Those that cannot keep a civil tongue in their heads are essentially destroying this foru...
by Bill Jurens
Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:29 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 236
Views: 17750

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

OK. Hopefully both sides will refrain from further snide remarks. Suggest we start again, and just discuss in detail only ONE set of initial bearings and distances, and see if we can agree upon that. As Alberto has had the last post, I suggest Wadinga submit a single bearing/distance set, presumably...
by Bill Jurens
Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:34 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 236
Views: 17750

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

Quality of commentary aside, a reminder to try to maintain civil and respectful tones. Once we get off that track, as we have seen before, progress of any sort essentially halts. Slow progress is better than none.

Bill Jurens
by Bill Jurens
Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:34 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 236
Views: 17750

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

We are doing well, but -- and this is, I think inherent to this sort of forum -- sometimes much patience is required in order to allow readers to actually examine the evidence and respond in a coherent manner. One can't try to do too many things at once -- even doing only one is challenging enough. ...
by Bill Jurens
Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:10 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 236
Views: 17750

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

Regarding the rather recent, though welcome, flurry of postings... My own sense of the situation would be to proceed fairly slowly, i.e. to -- as Mr. Bonomi has suggested as well -- to try to concentrate on just one specific issue at a time. I think it best to begin by trying to obtain some sort of ...
by Bill Jurens
Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:50 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 236
Views: 17750

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

My thanks to Mr. Bonomi for the additional bearing and distance data. I will plot these as soon as possible and see if they, at least in my mind, confirm the plot suggested by the 15000 meter 143 degree data. I suspect they will at the very least help to clarify the situation. Addressing Mr. Virtuan...
by Bill Jurens
Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:55 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 236
Views: 17750

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

I think we may be getting ahead of ourselves here. My posting of "Track Chart One" should not be interpreted as some sort of acknowledgement that I think it to represent a correct solution or a suitable jumping-off point. It was merely posted to illustrate what Mr. Bonomi's proposed benchmark distan...
by Bill Jurens
Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:25 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 236
Views: 17750

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

My apologies for the second posting. This supplements my immediately previous post, which alluded to a track chart plot which -- for whatever reasons -- appears not to have actually gone through. It is attached here for reference...

Bill Jurens
by Bill Jurens
Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:10 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 236
Views: 17750

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

I thought it potentially useful to append a copy of a track chart which is, at least to my intention, in accordance with Mr. Bonomi's suggested benchmark of using the 0:600 distance and bearing from Prinz Eugen to P.O.W. as a starting point. As both British and German tracks are to the same scale, a...
by Bill Jurens
Sat Dec 01, 2018 2:17 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 236
Views: 17750

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

I am glad to see we are back on track again, and discussion is resuming. I was becoming concerned that interest had been lost. I will make a few relatively brief comments for what they are worth. Mr. Bonomi wrote: "I hope that now everybody can check the official documents, I mean the Jasper report ...
by Bill Jurens
Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:14 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 236
Views: 17750

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

I am glad to see that we seem to be making progress here. One correspondent suggested that an overlay of the most relevant track charts might be a useful tool in analysis. This is true, and represents in fact, how I have tended to approach the problem, at least initially, in the past. Unfortunately,...
by Bill Jurens
Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:39 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 236
Views: 17750

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

My thanks to the correspondents who noted the use of emojis and boldface, etc. My concern is not that they be used at all, but that once the process starts, it can quickly get out of hand, where presentation ends up taking precedence over information . Basically statements of fact or conjecture shou...