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by Bill Jurens
Tue Dec 18, 2018 5:36 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 273
Views: 18426

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

My apologies to Mr. Virtuani if he feels that he has been unfairly singled out for criticism. Again, although I used his particular post as an example, there was no specific intention to concentrate on his comments to the exclusion of some comments by others. Certainly others have been guilty as wel...
by Bill Jurens
Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:43 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 273
Views: 18426

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

Once again, I will remind correspondents to please not editorialize. There is no need -- nor is there any utility -- in stating or implying that other correspondents are somehow stupid, stubborn, or in possession of some agenda which they wish to push forward at the expense of historical accuracy. F...
by Bill Jurens
Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:47 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 273
Views: 18426

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

Thank you, Antonio.

Bill Jurens
by Bill Jurens
Sun Dec 16, 2018 6:25 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 273
Views: 18426

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

This is just a very quick response, for which I must somewhat apologize. Daughter's birthday... To Antonio: Yes, I have already redrawn the German Track chart via computer, which enables me to extract information on bearings and distances with great accuracy. The problem, which I alluded to earlier,...
by Bill Jurens
Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:29 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 273
Views: 18426

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

It is my understanding, perhaps incorrect, that Wandinga has considered OS1 and considers it problematical. One way to help to tip the scales either way might be to determine whether the actual 'paper distance' for this observation set corresponds to 15000 or 19700 meters. Antonio is, as I understan...
by Bill Jurens
Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:02 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 273
Views: 18426

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

Thanks, Antonio. I-- and I am sure at least some others as well -- greatly appreciate the efforts you are willing to take to move the investigation forward, and your patience at explaining precisely how you have arrived at various conclusions, often for the fifteenth or twentieth time. It will be in...
by Bill Jurens
Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:29 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 273
Views: 18426

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

Hello Antonio: Thanks for your recent postings. I am still struggling a bit with what we are now calling Observation Set 1, hereafter OS1. In this, I take it that you feel that the overall bearing for OS1 is more-or-less correct, but that the distance noted along the sight line is not really c. 19,7...
by Bill Jurens
Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:02 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 273
Views: 18426

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

Hello Antonio: Thanks for your commentary. I am confused. Taken as read, the P.E. track chart at 0:600 seems to show a bearing of 143 degrees true to Prince of Wales, but the range as printed on the chart seems to be 197 hm, i.e. 19,700 meters. Where did the 15000 meter "agreed upon" range figure co...
by Bill Jurens
Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:09 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 273
Views: 18426

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

Hello all: We have, it seems, once more drifted into areas where much more 'ink' is spent in editorialization rather than discussion. A few of the immediately previous are particularly offensive in that regard. Those that cannot keep a civil tongue in their heads are essentially destroying this foru...
by Bill Jurens
Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:29 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 273
Views: 18426

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

OK. Hopefully both sides will refrain from further snide remarks. Suggest we start again, and just discuss in detail only ONE set of initial bearings and distances, and see if we can agree upon that. As Alberto has had the last post, I suggest Wadinga submit a single bearing/distance set, presumably...
by Bill Jurens
Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:34 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 273
Views: 18426

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

Quality of commentary aside, a reminder to try to maintain civil and respectful tones. Once we get off that track, as we have seen before, progress of any sort essentially halts. Slow progress is better than none.

Bill Jurens
by Bill Jurens
Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:34 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 273
Views: 18426

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

We are doing well, but -- and this is, I think inherent to this sort of forum -- sometimes much patience is required in order to allow readers to actually examine the evidence and respond in a coherent manner. One can't try to do too many things at once -- even doing only one is challenging enough. ...
by Bill Jurens
Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:10 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 273
Views: 18426

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

Regarding the rather recent, though welcome, flurry of postings... My own sense of the situation would be to proceed fairly slowly, i.e. to -- as Mr. Bonomi has suggested as well -- to try to concentrate on just one specific issue at a time. I think it best to begin by trying to obtain some sort of ...
by Bill Jurens
Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:50 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 273
Views: 18426

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

My thanks to Mr. Bonomi for the additional bearing and distance data. I will plot these as soon as possible and see if they, at least in my mind, confirm the plot suggested by the 15000 meter 143 degree data. I suspect they will at the very least help to clarify the situation. Addressing Mr. Virtuan...
by Bill Jurens
Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:55 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 273
Views: 18426

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

I think we may be getting ahead of ourselves here. My posting of "Track Chart One" should not be interpreted as some sort of acknowledgement that I think it to represent a correct solution or a suitable jumping-off point. It was merely posted to illustrate what Mr. Bonomi's proposed benchmark distan...