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- Tue Jun 22, 2010 12:41 pm
- Forum: Naval Weapons
- Topic: What was the most effective naval anti-aircraft gun of WW2?
- Replies: 167
- Views: 111475
Re: What was the most effective naval anti-aircraft gun of WW2?
I suspect that Bismarck might have been better off if the 5.9" secondary had been designed with,say a 45 to 60 deg elevation and fuze setting machines, and then controlled directly by the AA FC system and the weight allocated to the 4.1" guns used for more CIWS guns. Or alternatively use ...
- Tue Jun 22, 2010 12:25 pm
- Forum: Naval Weapons
- Topic: Shell hits
- Replies: 36
- Views: 8550
Re: Shell hits
Hi Byron Thanks for your detailed reply and in the majority I agree. The SEYDLITZ performance was quite exceptional when compared to what was thrown against her. The Blucher (please forgive the spelling) by staying afloat caused valuable shells to be directed to her rather than her fleeing companion...
- Fri Jun 04, 2010 6:34 am
- Forum: Naval Weapons
- Topic: Shell hits
- Replies: 36
- Views: 8550
Re: Shell hits
Yes the emprical evidence is scant yet huge amounts of money were spent designning ships, armour and shells. I am curious what the design issues a team would have faced and what knowledge that could have brought to the table to deal with this. A sunk ship until recently meant dead men tell no tales ...
- Fri Jun 04, 2010 6:00 am
- Forum: Naval Weapons
- Topic: AT guns vs. Artillery guns vs. Naval guns
- Replies: 22
- Views: 14212
Re: AT guns vs. Artillery guns vs. Naval guns
Sort of confirms the confusion on the term. And as mentioned the current 105mm is a very powerful piece and quite light compared to its forefathers. To me a howziter is weapon with various zone charges designed to shoot in the upper registers but accept that is not a technical definition in many boo...
- Fri Jun 04, 2010 12:53 am
- Forum: Naval Weapons
- Topic: Shell hits
- Replies: 36
- Views: 8550
Re: Shell hits
Hi Confirming that I consider an effective hit one that disables a vessel from fighting back and by my reading it took very few major shell hits to do that. I believe that the Tiger in WW1 at one battle fired over two hundred shells and scored one hit so a lot of shells were launched with no hits an...
- Fri Jun 04, 2010 12:19 am
- Forum: Naval Weapons
- Topic: AT guns vs. Artillery guns vs. Naval guns
- Replies: 22
- Views: 14212
Re: AT guns vs. Artillery guns vs. Naval guns
Hi Like all terms there is the usual muck up and non standardisation and also I can be wrong :shock: It is my understanding that a howitzer is a gun that uses multiple charges to achieve a variety of shell decent angles while a gun uses a fixed charged (either combined with the projectile, sperate c...
- Thu Jun 03, 2010 1:40 am
- Forum: Naval Weapons
- Topic: Shell hits
- Replies: 36
- Views: 8550
Shell hits
Hi In WW1 and WW2 it appears from my reading that it took very few shell hits to disable or destroy a vessel. This combined with comparity few gun naval engagements means a lot of discussions on effective shell and armour is based on limited emperical evidence. Does anyone know if something similar ...
- Thu Jun 03, 2010 1:16 am
- Forum: Naval Weapons
- Topic: AT guns vs. Artillery guns vs. Naval guns
- Replies: 22
- Views: 14212
Re: AT guns vs. Artillery guns vs. Naval guns
Hi AT guns use high MV for both penetration and flat shooting trajectory that compensates for mis judging range and also reduces the lead need to hit a moving target. The idea it to penetrate side armour. Also it helps with 1930' technology to over match the armour, which means using a shell with a ...
- Wed Jun 02, 2010 1:51 am
- Forum: Naval Weapons
- Topic: What was the most effective naval anti-aircraft gun of WW2?
- Replies: 167
- Views: 111475
Re: What was the most effective naval anti-aircraft gun of WW2?
Hi lwd Yes, the more I read and understand the more I am accepting that the ideal of just about any weapon system is idea for the country and mission intented. It does not surprise me that secondaries were a mixed bunch of solutions with the Germans going 6" the USA 5" and the British tryi...
- Tue Jun 01, 2010 1:04 am
- Forum: Naval Weapons
- Topic: What was the most effective naval anti-aircraft gun of WW2?
- Replies: 167
- Views: 111475
Re: What was the most effective naval anti-aircraft gun of WW2?
Hi Yet again a recurring theme that being seamingly minor events or mistakes causing critical ships or components not to be available when required. In recent reading it is almost unbelievable the number of ships that ran aground and were not available at critical times. Obviously wartime navigation...
- Mon May 31, 2010 5:47 am
- Forum: Naval Weapons
- Topic: What was the most effective naval anti-aircraft gun of WW2?
- Replies: 167
- Views: 111475
Re: What was the most effective naval anti-aircraft gun of WW2?
Hi Bgile I have noticed a couple of post WW2 era designs with the Tiger 6" twin gun mount being the stand out but much later in the time line. While a twin load system is sexy enough to be considered a good thing by designers (handy for ground attack aircraft) however I would imagine in most en...
- Mon May 31, 2010 4:04 am
- Forum: Naval Weapons
- Topic: What was the most effective naval anti-aircraft gun of WW2?
- Replies: 167
- Views: 111475
Re: What was the most effective naval anti-aircraft gun of WW2?
HI I have been surfing the web and not much on 6" guns in AA role and their actual effectiveness in battle. As some may of gathered I have an interest in what could have been had foresight along with 1930's technology being incorporated in major warships. I am certain that even had the Germans ...
- Sat May 29, 2010 1:28 pm
- Forum: Naval Weapons
- Topic: What was the most effective naval anti-aircraft gun of WW2?
- Replies: 167
- Views: 111475
Re: What was the most effective naval anti-aircraft gun of WW2?
Though far from ideal as a AA weapon the 6" gun was standard across many countries for light and not so light cruisers. How did it fair in battle on those ships against aircraft? Yes the German ones were SP so more interested the DP versions. Also what is the heaviest shell that was suitable. I...
- Fri May 28, 2010 12:19 am
- Forum: Naval Technology
- Topic: Ideal battleship design
- Replies: 162
- Views: 85382
Re: Ideal battleship design
Weight and designing a ship has many factors not at least ensuring each frame is self supporting to avoid uneven loading and this is something that I do not have a clue so can get things wrong. I believe such issues compromised the upgrading of the Hood's secondary gun. Basically the Bismark carried...
- Thu May 27, 2010 2:50 pm
- Forum: Naval Technology
- Topic: Ideal battleship design
- Replies: 162
- Views: 85382
Re: Ideal battleship design
Hi All I do find it rather shallow comparing design from say 1933 that appeared on the seas in 1939-40 to designs that first sailed in 1944 Hi. My impression is that the 1934 designed Bismarck would destroy the 1940 designed Vanguard most of the time, from a pure technological perspective. And the ...