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by wadinga
Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:48 am
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: Matapan
Replies: 67
Views: 1693

Re: Matapan

Fellow Contributors, graphically showing that no incident could happen as the Italian battlefleet was not allowed to get so easterly as the submarines patrol areas.... Study it, please. Moltke the Elder said No plan of operations extends with certainty beyond the first encounter with the enemy's mai...
by wadinga
Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:54 pm
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: Matapan
Replies: 67
Views: 1693

Re: Matapan

Fellow Contributors, I have both the operation orders sent to all the involved commands and the original mission report of Ambra Do these orders relate to the original mission: On March 5, 1941 she was deployed along with ten other submarines off Crete to search for British convoys on the route Alex...
by wadinga
Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:33 am
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: Matapan
Replies: 67
Views: 1693

Re: Matapan

Fellow Contributors, Read before laughing BTW I've just checked the only English origin reference, Chesneau, in the English language Wikipedia article, and he makes no mention of Ambra's action against Bonaventure, so the origin is clearly one of the Italian authors, Pollini, Giorgerini or the famou...
by wadinga
Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:17 am
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: Matapan
Replies: 67
Views: 1693

Re: Matapan

Fellow Contributors,

When I find which of these sources
Pollini, Giorgerini or the famous editor of that most excellent journal which only prints the most "correct" material, ERMINIO BAGNASCO
was writing so-called "nonsense", I'll keep all informed.

All the best

wadinga
by wadinga
Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:54 pm
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: Matapan
Replies: 67
Views: 1693

Re: Matapan

Fellow Contributors, that is basically correct I'm sorry who decides what is "correct"? We have two contradictory versions, one including intimate, detailed descriptions of Ambra's damage which can only have come from an internal Italian Navy source. Once again we have an attempt to generate unneces...
by wadinga
Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:08 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Some questions about the battle at the Denmark Strait
Replies: 78
Views: 1642

Re: Some questions about the battle at the Denmark Strait

Fellow Contributors, Yes No 4 is secondary armament smoke. Since it appears PG never fired her armament on first contact with the cruisers, or during the breakaway it seems likely that No 2 is Denmark Straits, however I am intrigued that the photogrammetrist questions whether the Bismarck smoke clou...
by wadinga
Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:30 pm
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: Matapan
Replies: 67
Views: 1693

Re: Matapan

Fellow Contributors, I see Uomini sul fondo. Storia del sommergibilismo italiano dalle origini ad oggi Giorgerini, Giorgio (2002) is the prime source for the Italian language version too. So which of the sources is the origin of the so-called "wrong" statement about the submarine trap being aware of...
by wadinga
Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:22 pm
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: Matapan
Replies: 67
Views: 1693

Re: Matapan

Fellow Contributors, Whoever wrote the Wikipedia piece quoted Uomini sul fondo. Storia del sommergibilismo italiano dalle origini ad oggi Giorgerini, Giorgio (2002) as a reference. Are those points which contradict Mr Virtuani's account, contained in this work by a serious university professor? Or o...
by wadinga
Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:59 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Some questions about the battle at the Denmark Strait
Replies: 78
Views: 1642

Re: Some questions about the battle at the Denmark Strait

Fellow Contributors, I stand by my observation: There is no evidence in this still , that it was even taken at the Battle of the Denmark Straits. and that is also true of the example photo Mr Rico provided. Once again it would be extremely valuable to have details of any contemporary annotation actu...
by wadinga
Tue Jul 09, 2019 9:54 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Some questions about the battle at the Denmark Strait
Replies: 78
Views: 1642

Re: Some questions about the battle at the Denmark Strait

Fellow Contributors, I have been busy elsewhere. Glad to contribute. Question No 3 Do you agree that the film sequence of Bismarck firing included in the PG battle film was taken at a later period of time than the photo shown in question #2 ? A question about the question, and why some might wish to...
by wadinga
Sat Jul 06, 2019 6:15 pm
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: Matapan
Replies: 67
Views: 1693

Re: Matapan

Fellow Contributors, I have just looked at Wikipedia for submarine Ambra and was surprised to read: On March 22, 1941 Ambra together with Ascianghi and Dagabur was sent to patrol along Alexandria - Cape Krio line and arrived in her assigned area on March 24, 1941. The submarines deployed as a defens...
by wadinga
Fri Jul 05, 2019 6:43 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Some questions about the battle at the Denmark Strait
Replies: 78
Views: 1642

Re: Some questions about the battle at the Denmark Strait

Hello Marc,

Chapeau à vous :clap: Just found a picture of 380 cm "dustbins" all over Tirpitz' upperdeck after bombarding Spitzbergen, and there are even higher tubular rail fences to stop them rolling overboard and polluting the 'oggin. [political commentary redacted. WJJ]
All the best

wadinga
by wadinga
Thu Jul 04, 2019 3:48 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Some questions about the battle at the Denmark Strait
Replies: 78
Views: 1642

Re: Some questions about the battle at the Denmark Strait

Fellow Contributors, Hi Marc, you could be right, but maybe those bars are just a crewman's last hope as he is washed overboard when the rails are down. How high are the bars to stop a 380mm case? They are also convenient tying-off point for securing fenders alongside or a painting party's staging. ...
by wadinga
Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:35 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Some questions about the battle at the Denmark Strait
Replies: 78
Views: 1642

Re: Some questions about the battle at the Denmark Strait

Fellow Contributors, Not wishing to derail the question/answer format, two brief responses. There were small fences to prevent that the cartridges rolled over board I believe these are just the deck edge stanchions and chains folded down out of the way for action stations. There does not seem to hav...
by wadinga
Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:12 pm
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: Matapan
Replies: 67
Views: 1693

Re: Matapan

Fellow Contributors, Since convoy GA-8 managed to run into two independently operating (non co-operating) submarines about four hours apart, their "cross" formation picquet line seems to have worked to an extent. Also despite Bragadin's speculation, nobody was apparently evading them based on prior ...