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by Neoconshooter
Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:45 am
Forum: Naval Weapons
Topic: Practical ranges
Replies: 70
Views: 10270

Re: Practical ranges

sandym wrote:Hmm, remember that New Jersey was sent to bombard Lebanon in 1984 and missed its targets by as much as 10,000 yards. In fact, it didn't hit anything it aimed at.

Really? I was there and dispute this idea!
by Neoconshooter
Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:44 am
Forum: Naval Weapons
Topic: Practical ranges
Replies: 70
Views: 10270

Re: Practical ranges

What is worse is that American 14" Super Heavy AP Shell .... the american 14 inch AP is no superheavy projectile. ...SOuth Dakota..., all showed how hard it was to sink a modern BB by gunfire" South Dakota was hit by one AP shell or even one more - not realy a threat.[/quote] Again, gun f...
by Neoconshooter
Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:17 am
Forum: Naval Weapons
Topic: Practical ranges
Replies: 70
Views: 10270

Re: Practical ranges

[Maybe once when WWarspite hit Giulio Cesare at 24km] Talking about facts, probabilities and ideas, which are all seperate things. Facts, few actions/hits at long range. Probabilities, hits are few and far between at long range. ( More so for some than others.) The idea is that it is advantagious f...
by Neoconshooter
Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:52 am
Forum: Naval Weapons
Topic: What was the most effective naval anti-aircraft gun of WW2?
Replies: 167
Views: 45978

Re: What was the most effective naval anti-aircraft gun of W

25 yards? acording to Wiki, the pulse width was 2-3 US indicating a maximum un ambiguos range error possible of 1.2 Kilometers? = 2 US= 600 M short or long of indicated Poss. Your confusing resolution (or discrimination) for range with accuracy for range. They are not the same things. It is possibl...
by Neoconshooter
Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:52 am
Forum: Naval Weapons
Topic: Projectile fire questions
Replies: 28
Views: 4941

Re: Projectile fire questions

Well, well! Thanks for those links, they are very helpful. It seems, by the results, that my physics were about right. The main "problem", if I can call it that, is that the coefficient of drag was a bit low at 0.22. Values between 0.25 to 0.27 hit it on the money. Thanks again! I find it...
by Neoconshooter
Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:33 am
Forum: Naval Weapons
Topic: Sabot shells
Replies: 5
Views: 3343

Re: Sabot shells

Gentlemen, In the book 'The Hunt for Red October' the end scene is the US navy preparing to do battle with Soviet forces and one of the US ships is an 'Iowa' class battleship (New Jersey I think). Instead of her normal 16" shells she has a small 8" in a sabot which can be fired at some en...
by Neoconshooter
Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:15 am
Forum: Naval Weapons
Topic: What was the most effective naval anti-aircraft gun of WW2?
Replies: 167
Views: 45978

Re: What was the most effective naval anti-aircraft gun of W

How did the system you mention above couple the range as found by the Radar to the FCS? Type 280 and type 279 both had a precision ranging panel which transmitted the radar range AND range rate directly to the HACS table (computer) via magslips (syncro motors) with power follow-up for the range rat...
by Neoconshooter
Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:56 am
Forum: Naval Weapons
Topic: AP shells and sea water
Replies: 22
Views: 19441

Re: AP shells and sea water

I'm not sure it has much effect on this but the US shells also were designed to proof at greater angles than a lot of other countries. Great article here; http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_16-50_mk7.htm http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_16-50_mk7_pics.htm As to the idea that the Bismark was p...
by Neoconshooter
Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:13 am
Forum: Naval Weapons
Topic: battleship barrel service round limit?
Replies: 11
Views: 4040

Re: battleship barrel service round limit?

It sounds to me almost as if, with a stated allowance of 200 to 250 service rounds, Yamato might easily go to 300, and possibly even get away with going to 400, 500, or possibly even 600 before things start to really get bad. I would bet that the real practical service life was closer to 200 rounds...
by Neoconshooter
Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:02 am
Forum: Naval Weapons
Topic: Practical ranges
Replies: 70
Views: 10270

Re: Practical ranges

I only have two points in reply; 1. That hit %age varis greatly between Navies and in Navies between ship types. 2. Even if it was only 1%, how many hundreds of rounds must be fired to sink any BB? ( Iowa caried well over 1200 rounds, which at only 1%, would equate to 12 hits. Can anyone here find ...
by Neoconshooter
Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:00 pm
Forum: Naval Weapons
Topic: Practical ranges
Replies: 70
Views: 10270

Re: Practical ranges

Maybe once when Warspite hit Giulio Cesare at 24km] Even considering Cesare's weak deck protection it didn't cripple Cesare. The assumption that a handful of extreme range hits would destroy more modern battleships is unlikely as well. This is a failure of the thought processes. That hit did crippl...
by Neoconshooter
Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:50 pm
Forum: Naval Weapons
Topic: Practical ranges
Replies: 70
Views: 10270

Re: Practical ranges

A, nice info This objection is strange, if you look at the cost of a capital ship and the damage it can do to your soft squishy stuff if you do not kill it. How many secondary caliber shells does it take to sink a cargo ship or tanker? The problem is the hit ratio at long range. As we know, even la...
by Neoconshooter
Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:19 pm
Forum: Naval Weapons
Topic: Practical ranges
Replies: 70
Views: 10270

Re: Practical ranges

A, nice info Still, it appears that only a 3 or 4 hits were made > 20km, the others coming after the twins had closed the range quite a bit, at 15km or so. IIRC, Hoffman was criticised on return for wasting expensive ammunition... At long range, it only takes three or four hits to sink most ships. ...
by Neoconshooter
Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:54 pm
Forum: Naval Weapons
Topic: Practical ranges
Replies: 70
Views: 10270

Re: Practical ranges

... And Oldendorf's battleships opened at 22000 yards, or 20km, during the night, with radar-ranged salvos, scoring hits in the first salvos. Above 25km, depending on the gun, either dispersion is to large, or the angle of fall becomes to steep, and danger space is to small to consistently hit an o...
by Neoconshooter
Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:45 pm
Forum: Naval Weapons
Topic: Practical ranges
Replies: 70
Views: 10270

Re: Practical ranges

At long range, it only takes three or four hits to sink most ships any sample available? See several of the posts above about Glorious and 11" shells, but think about Hood, PoW, which took a single 500 Kg bomb hit, IIRC and several IJN aircraft cariers hit by dive bombers with very much less p...

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