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by Alberto Virtuani
Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:01 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 937
Views: 20521

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Wadinga wrote: "haven't I effusively thanked you......first priority is the ROOF signal which would be obvious, if Alberto had not removed it.....Alberto has tried to muddle things..." You thanked me.... and then you accused me.... I'm not disappointed, I'm disgusted. You are just shamele...
by Alberto Virtuani
Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:37 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 937
Views: 20521

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Wadinga wrote: "first priority is the ROOF signal which would be obvious, if Alberto had not removed it.....Alberto has tried to muddle things..." Totally unable to understand what you read, ungrateful and shameless ....as in all your last posts... :stop: Go to get the documents (spending...
by Alberto Virtuani
Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:53 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The KGV and Adm fuel signals on May 26 and 27.
Replies: 31
Views: 284

Re: The KGV and Adm fuel signals on May 26 and 27.

Dunmunro wrote: "You are correct that B-Dienst would have picked up, and eventually decoded, any signal to Tovey as well." Hi Duncan, first of all, I think Pound and Tovey were not aware of this on May, 1941. According to Tovey, they were both convinced that the " espounging " (...
by Alberto Virtuani
Mon Jan 15, 2018 6:48 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The KGV and Adm fuel signals on May 26 and 27.
Replies: 31
Views: 284

Re: The KGV and Adm fuel signals on May 26 and 27.

Cag wrote: "May I ask how it would be possible to expunge a signal that had been transmitted via the airwaves " Hi Mr. Cag, I have no clue at all. The message would have been ciphered, I don't know how many ships/shore station would have received and de-ciphered it. Also I don't know how ...
by Alberto Virtuani
Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:53 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The KGV and Adm fuel signals on May 26 and 27.
Replies: 31
Views: 284

Re: The KGV and Adm fuel signals on May 26 and 27.

Wadinga wrote: "Can you point out where the words Coast(s) /shores of France appears?" Hi Sean, the words "shores of France" don't come out in Churchill book, that does not specify the exact text anyway, and first appear in 1950 Tovey's still good (I hope for the RN, as he left ...
by Alberto Virtuani
Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:27 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The loss of contact (May 24 / 25)
Replies: 23
Views: 300

Re: The loss of contact (May 24 / 25)

Paul Cadogan wrote: "having Norfolk and PoW trailing him was "cramping his style"? How?" Hi Paul, I think Ellis explains quite clearly what was the problem: once left the astern shadowing position (Ellis says it was W-W to "call" him to port and he was actually conform...
by Alberto Virtuani
Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:34 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The KGV and Adm fuel signals on May 26 and 27.
Replies: 31
Views: 284

Re: The KGV and Adm fuel signals on May 26 and 27.

Wadinag wrote: "we have established Tovey was remembering things that never happened as early as 1950! " Hi Sean, If you believe that the signal mentioning the "shores of France ", attributed by Tovey to May 26 was never sent, then we have discovered that W.Churchill too was rem...
by Alberto Virtuani
Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:14 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The loss of contact (May 24 / 25)
Replies: 23
Views: 300

Re: The loss of contact (May 24 / 25)

Wadinag wrote: "Norfolk was not kept at any distance to cover anything the previous night. W-W had no idea where Suffolk was (a bearing is not a position), no idea where Bismarck was, and with only one mile visibility and if Suffolk lost radar lock, Bismarck could have passed between them even...
by Alberto Virtuani
Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:06 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The KGV and Adm fuel signals on May 26 and 27.
Replies: 31
Views: 284

Re: The KGV and Adm fuel signals on May 26 and 27.

Wadinga wrote: "If so it is Pitcairn-Jones who originated the Coast of France element in his post war analysis, which Tovey muddled with things that actually happened in 1941." Hi Sean, I see you don't listen my suggestion to get the papers before just guessing (wrongly).... :lol: P-J let...
by Alberto Virtuani
Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:58 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The loss of contact (May 24 / 25)
Replies: 23
Views: 300

Re: The loss of contact (May 24 / 25)

PAul Cadogan wrote: "You conclude that because WW did not order that he should be awakened - and so he negligently slept through the loss of contact and its aftermath." Hi Paul, I say just that Ellis stated that, as far as he knew, his former superior was sleeping..... We can trust Ellis ...
by Alberto Virtuani
Sun Jan 14, 2018 2:36 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 937
Views: 20521

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Wadinga wrote: "Did you remove the reference to the towing signal when you reproduced the 1961 letter leaving 1)....? " Hi Sean, yes I did, as well as I removed the salutations and the compliments....., as there was NO relation at all with the Court Martial , despite your ridiculous attem...
by Alberto Virtuani
Sun Jan 14, 2018 2:31 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The KGV and Adm fuel signals on May 26 and 27.
Replies: 31
Views: 284

Re: The KGV and Adm fuel signals on May 26 and 27.

Wadinga wrote: "Is this in one of the letters that Tovey wrote to Roskill? Could we have the precise wording?"

Hi Sean,
yes it is (1954). No you can't, a least if you don't fully apologize for the "conspiracy filter" accusation.


Bye, Alberto
by Alberto Virtuani
Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:37 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 937
Views: 20521

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Wadinga wrote: "See what I mean about filtering?" No, I don't and I would have expected a bit more fairness from your side , having reproduced the text to avoid this low kind of comments from you. Please post my "filtered" statements or SHUT UP ! :stop: you wrote (my bold): &quo...
by Alberto Virtuani
Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:15 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The loss of contact (May 24 / 25)
Replies: 23
Views: 300

Re: The loss of contact (May 24 / 25)

Dave Saxton wrote: "With visibility dropping to 6 miles, either Norfolk and/or POW deployed opposite of Suffolk is of little value in hemming in the Bismarck. Bismarck likely slips by unnoticed anyway." Hi Dave, I agree with you, however, on the previous night, a ship unable to detect the...
by Alberto Virtuani
Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:23 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 937
Views: 20521

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Wadinga wrote: "It is clear from Tovey's letter that this was the most important thing discussed in the famous phone call," Hi Sean, clear from what in your opinion ? :negative: This is the weighted content of the letter: 16 rows are "compliments" and salutations 11 rows are ded...

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