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by HMSVF
Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:38 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Bismarck surrender option
Replies: 87
Views: 2238

Re: The Bismarck surrender option

I'm curious how a proposed surrender- (or better scuttling-) scenario would look during a gale in a submarine-infested area. What would be the difference compared to the fight to the last shell? You may well have had more survivors in the water than historical. Whether those extra survivors would h...
by HMSVF
Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:32 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Bismarck surrender option
Replies: 87
Views: 2238

Re: The Bismarck surrender option

I've been pondering over similar situations, which is difficult in the age of steam as there not that many and the Bismarck episode was a pretty unique set of circumstances. Then I thought about the Battle of Coronel. Now this isn't the place for going over the what ifs of the battle itself. Thats a...
by HMSVF
Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:48 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Bismarck surrender option
Replies: 87
Views: 2238

Re: The Bismarck surrender option

Fellow Contributors, At the risk of being accused of being in pursuit of an unseemly lawyerly advantage in this case. I am (further) surprised by the idea that the acquisition of the enemy's hardware is foremost in people's minds when they accept the surrender of their opponents. This would be a wa...
by HMSVF
Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:06 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Bismarck surrender option
Replies: 87
Views: 2238

Re: The Bismarck surrender option

Hello Paul, The Stealth Objective in this thread has always been about British regulations and therefore Leach and Wake-Walker, not German ones relating to Lutjens. The refusal to acknowledge or even discuss that German vessels or army formations did surrender or disobey orders despite an implicit ...
by HMSVF
Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:03 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: bismark-after torpedo hit
Replies: 90
Views: 2825

Re: bismark-after torpedo hit

Fellow Contributors, According to Campbell naval Weapons of WWII, the 18" torpedoes which sank Conte di Cavour and Caio Duilio at Taranto were magnetic Duplex exploders, performed as was hoped-for, and thus should have detonated under the ships, so was the damage commensurate? It would appear one t...
by HMSVF
Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:42 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: bismark-after torpedo hit
Replies: 90
Views: 2825

Re: bismark-after torpedo hit

I was reading Friedman’s “British Battleships” last night and he made an interesting comment on Bismarck’s TDS. To me it appears he said that it was a revision of a 20 year old scheme and had the FAA used magnetic pistols she could have been in real trouble,more so than allied battleship with a “san...
by HMSVF
Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:38 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: bismark-after torpedo hit
Replies: 90
Views: 2825

Re: bismark-after torpedo hit

Fellow Contributors, Herr Nilsson is correct, I raised the matter of this directive before when I was trying to find out about mysterious hints by a senior German historian that there were radio messages to Lutjens reinforcing it, and not recorded in the KTB. None have yet come to light. However, n...
by HMSVF
Tue Oct 08, 2019 6:11 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: bismark-after torpedo hit
Replies: 90
Views: 2825

Re: bismark-after torpedo hit

Fellow Contributors, Please don't revive the dreary, old, discredited "did Bismarck surrender" trope. HMS Pegasus at Zanzibar to Konigberg 1914. Alongside with dismantled engines. SMS Emden hoisted white flags at Cocos Is when Sydney re-opened fire as ensign was not hauled down, also 1914. Several ...
by HMSVF
Tue Oct 08, 2019 5:30 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: bismark-after torpedo hit
Replies: 90
Views: 2825

Re: bismark-after torpedo hit

Fellow Contributors, I personally would agree Langsdorff's approach, even if misinformed, was superior for an officer responsible for his mens' lives to Lutjens' Gotterdammerung, when there were no technical solutions available. Schiff manovrierunfahig. Wir kampen zur letze granate Es lebe der Fuhr...
by HMSVF
Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:49 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: bismark-after torpedo hit
Replies: 90
Views: 2825

Re: bismark-after torpedo hit

Fellow Contributors, Returning after a lengthy diversion, to the subject in hand, in neither case of disabling stern damage involving Prinz Eugen or Lutzow did anybody resort to the desperate measure of "Blowing things off" to regain harbour. Lutzow was towed home with her stern hanging down. We ha...
by HMSVF
Sun Oct 06, 2019 3:29 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: bismark-after torpedo hit
Replies: 90
Views: 2825

Re: bismark-after torpedo hit

Hello everybody, sorry for this long post (not strictly related to the topic of the thread). Back from another 7 days "absence" (I will speak about the reasons why I disagree with Mr.Jurens having been banned once again in the dedicate thread http://www.kbismarck.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=8347...
by HMSVF
Sun Sep 29, 2019 10:53 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: bismark-after torpedo hit
Replies: 90
Views: 2825

Re: bismark-after torpedo hit

Fellow Contributors, Now that we can all access this number TROLL-FREE for a bit I hope discussion will continue and not dry up. Would it be fair to say that the Bismarck survivor had just undergone what must have been a terrifying experience of a ship being pounded to bits by shells and had just a...
by HMSVF
Sun Sep 29, 2019 4:49 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: bismark-after torpedo hit
Replies: 90
Views: 2825

Re: bismark-after torpedo hit

Fellow Contributors, Now that we can all access this number TROLL-FREE for a bit I hope discussion will continue and not dry up. Would it be fair to say that the Bismarck survivor had just undergone what must have been a terrifying experience of a ship being pounded to bits by shells and had just a...
by HMSVF
Sat Sep 28, 2019 10:31 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: bismark-after torpedo hit
Replies: 90
Views: 2825

Re: bismark-after torpedo hit

Hello everybody, here we are with the "stadium fans"... HMSVF wrote: "just how different would any battle map be?" Please, before posting and wasting my time, read and try to understand what I have kindly explained already to Mr.Nilsson here (http://www.kbismarck.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8258&...
by HMSVF
Sat Sep 28, 2019 10:17 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: bismark-after torpedo hit
Replies: 90
Views: 2825

Re: bismark-after torpedo hit

Hello everybody, here we are with the "stadium fans"... HMSVF wrote: "just how different would any battle map be?" Please, before posting and wasting my time, read and try to understand what I have kindly explained already to Mr.Nilsson here (http://www.kbismarck.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8258&...