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by Antonio Bonomi
Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:44 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 234
Views: 14689

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

Hello everybody, @ Wadinga, the parameters we have agreed to merge the 2 PG and PoW tracks from their own maps realizing the battlefield are of course with the obvious tolerances anybody can easily understand and accept o this moment. This does not mean that at the end of the whole analysis we will ...
by Antonio Bonomi
Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:00 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 234
Views: 14689

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

Hello everybody, @ Bill Jurens, let me recap what has been agreed after some exchange of opinions on the 2 parameters we are using to merge the Prinz Eugen original map own track to the PoW one, while disregarding completely the view of the enemy tracks on both maps. First the 143°True bearing that ...
by Antonio Bonomi
Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:17 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 234
Views: 14689

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

Hello everybody, @ Bill Jurens, you wrote : I think Antonio and Wadinga, at least, have agreed upon a specific example upon which we can work, which we might call Observation Set No. 1. One hopes that input from them, and various other contributors, will enable us to assign some sort of 'research va...
by Antonio Bonomi
Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:06 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 234
Views: 14689

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

Hello everybody, @ Wadinga, I do not like to loose time being joked around in this way, ... not anymore. The PG maps are clear and the bearing 143°T is traced toward the PoW, if you are not able to understand and realize it, ... is only your problem. We have agreed about the utilization of the 143°T...
by Antonio Bonomi
Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:00 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 234
Views: 14689

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

Hello everybody, @ Wadinga, we have agreed back on this thread about a bearing and a distance between the Prinz Eugen and the PoW in order to be able to merge together 2 available set of maps ( PG and PoW ) and define the battlefield. The agreement was reached on the 143° bearing ( 2 times measurabl...
by Antonio Bonomi
Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:15 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 234
Views: 14689

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

Hello everybody, @ Wadinga, Bill Jurens, the board moderator, wrote : I suggest Wadinga submit a single bearing/distance set, presumably the one he considers most contentious, explain his objection to it, and others -- if necessary -- can discuss to determine whether it is actually realistic or not....
by Antonio Bonomi
Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:55 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Raeder report to Hitler about Bismarck operation
Replies: 9
Views: 1411

Re: Raeder report to Hitler about Bismarck operation

Hello everybody, @ Wadinga, I am glad we made you so happy, ... and fast on responding, ... so it will be fairly easy now to answer also on the other thread about the bearings just as Bill Jurens asked you, ... with the same speed and happiness. Given the above document you can add now also the 20.8...
by Antonio Bonomi
Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:43 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Raeder report to Hitler about Bismarck operation
Replies: 9
Views: 1411

Re: Raeder report to Hitler about Bismarck operation

Hello everybody, @ Wadinga, you wrote : Judging by the date, it is almost completely based (uncritically) on Brinkmann's KTB, even before the 5 Bismarck survivors' interrogation was complete, and long before Schmundt, Carls or Schniewind had made their reviews of this report in the light of other in...
by Antonio Bonomi
Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:46 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 234
Views: 14689

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

Hello everybody, @ Wadinga, do we have to consider that you have evaluated the above map and the related tracks on all his provided details, ... that you have done all the requested checks with the due obvious tolerances, ... and you still disagree about it ? Bye Antonio
by Antonio Bonomi
Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:51 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 234
Views: 14689

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

Hello everybody, @ Wadinga, once again the only available Jasper report is the one contained as attachment into the PG KTB. I have not yet find any other document about Jasper report of Brinkmann to Schmundt report above listed. The Prinz Eugen own battle map is more than sufficient to establish the...
by Antonio Bonomi
Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:55 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 234
Views: 14689

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

Hello everybody, @ Byron Angel, thanks for your inputs. I think it should be OK to assume a slowing down of something in between 5 to 8% ( no hard rudder ) so between 1 to 2 knots during the 40° executed first turn from course 240° True to course 280° True. I assume they were under their maximum ext...
by Antonio Bonomi
Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:33 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 234
Views: 14689

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

Hello everybody, @ Wadinga, we are trying to build a reliable battle map starting from the overall battle field proper dimension and the main track references, I mean the BC1 warships ( Hood and PoW ) and the German squadron ( Bismarck and Prinz Eugen ) from 05:20 until 06:00. As I have stated above...
by Antonio Bonomi
Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:35 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 234
Views: 14689

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

Hello everybody, @ all, I just see the bearings being the most reliable information we have to build this battle map. We have now a good and hopefully agreed starting point at 06:00. Building the tracks backwards, with known course and speed while drawing acceptable turns for BC1 warships, ... while...
by Antonio Bonomi
Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:11 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck at DS after the second turn
Replies: 234
Views: 14689

Re: Bismarck at DS after the second turn

Hello everybody, @ all, may I kindly ask everybody to hold on any discussion about what happened after 06:00 and how many shells PoW fired from which turret until we have jointly agreed and finished re-constructing the tracks. If we put too much meat on the fireplace, we will obviously loose focus a...