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by dunmunro
Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:10 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?
Replies: 174
Views: 1800

Re: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?

Dunmunro wrote: "The great fear on Norfolk and Suffolk was that Bismarck and PE would turn north at high speed and attempt to withdraw" Hi Duncan, we are finally in agreement now :clap: , a turn to north was a possibility, NOT a suicidal turn to east (against Norfolk, as you were suggesti...
by dunmunro
Fri Sep 22, 2017 10:04 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?
Replies: 174
Views: 1800

Re: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?

Dunmunro wrote: " if Bismarck turned and pursued Norfolk....., " Hi Duncan, are you serious saying there was a risk that Bismarck turned to pursue Norfolk being confronted to 2 British battleships ? :negative: you wrote: "W-W was pushing Norfolk to her limits as Norfolk had very litt...
by dunmunro
Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:33 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?
Replies: 174
Views: 1800

Re: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?

Hi All Hi Alberto, no problem whatsoever I fully understand what you are saying and accept all of your viewpoints as always. I know you do the same, for me these are stumbling blocks I can't work out as of yet. I just have questions, I try to see this Machiavellian dastardly plot to hide truth or c...
by dunmunro
Fri Sep 22, 2017 3:40 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?
Replies: 174
Views: 1800

Re: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?

Cag wrote: "Ellis and Wake-Walker did not need to put their ships in danger, and so did not do so, again in hindsight the right choice." Hi Mr.Cag, yes but only with hindsight..... :think: you wrote: "Suddenly a theoretical two battleships to one advantage became a battleship and hea...
by dunmunro
Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:06 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?
Replies: 174
Views: 1800

Re: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?

Hello everybody, @ CAG, welcome back on this discussion, and I hope all is OK for you and your family, ... which is the most important thing. Back on this historical re-construction long discussion, never forget that they were simply applying a received direction on what to do, ... in these type of...
by dunmunro
Wed Sep 20, 2017 5:16 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?
Replies: 174
Views: 1800

Re: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?

Hi all, thanks to Antonio's work, this is the only available battlemap (an evolution of 2005 Antonio's map) as per today (if we exclude Pinchin's Plot, already demonstrated as intentionally incorrect). This map has been published on "Storia Militare" n.281 in 2017, after being checked by ...
by dunmunro
Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:27 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?
Replies: 174
Views: 1800

Re: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?

Wadinga wrote: "Busch does not say Suffolk, he does not say cruiser, he does not say ship, he says mast." Hi Sean, yes, he says a mast on bearing 15° at 176 hectometers. He also says the other enemies are on bearing 96° (Norfolk) and 157° (BC1) and these are perfectly matching the bearing...
by dunmunro
Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:11 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?
Replies: 174
Views: 1800

Re: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?

Dunmunro wrote: "If Norfolk had closed to 9nm she would probably have been sunk by Bismarck." Hi Duncan, not at all, as demonstrated by Suffolk running at 9 sm (176 hectometers as per F.O.Busch or 18.000 yards as per Ellis autobiography) at around 5:30, before her turn away) and not being...
by dunmunro
Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:02 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?
Replies: 174
Views: 1800

Re: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?

Dunmunro wrote: "her (Norfolk) maximum speed on 24 May 1941 was probably ~30.5 knots." Hi Duncan, thanks for the info, however, on May 24, all ships were consistently running faster than their max theoretical speed, due to water temperature AND due to the exceptional circumstances (e.g. w...
by dunmunro
Thu Sep 14, 2017 5:05 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?
Replies: 174
Views: 1800

Re: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?

Hello everybody, @ Herr Nilsson, Norfolk top speed was 31,5 knots. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Norfolk_(78) If you listen again to WW recorded interview you will notice that he declared is awareness of the BC1 presence ( we knew they must be ) and also to know their intentions, ... only he di...
by dunmunro
Thu Sep 14, 2017 2:54 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Vanguard and Bismarck
Replies: 34
Views: 3057

Re: Vanguard and Bismarck

Gentlemen, I often wonder why Vanguard was not fitted with 8 x16" to make her more comparable with US ships. I realize that the 15" gun was a tried and tested weapon, but was it because the RN knew that the battleship era was over and so just fitted whatever they had available at the time...
by dunmunro
Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:33 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?
Replies: 174
Views: 1800

Re: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?

wadinga wrote:Hello All,

So nobody has the Icarus message then. Pity.

H


It is not recorded in the Admiralty War Diary.
by dunmunro
Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:21 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?
Replies: 174
Views: 1800

Re: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?

Hello everybody, @ Wadinga, unfortunately for you this very smart Officer was able on his report to state one thing, ... and the opposite in another phrase, ... either before or after, ... on the same document, ... several times and not only about this topic, ... :shock: So at point 7 on his report...
by dunmunro
Sat Sep 09, 2017 8:07 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?
Replies: 174
Views: 1800

Re: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?

Exactly. I also find it very interesting that A&A only want to use only those parts of W-W's recording that they feel supports their position but won't accept W-W's very clear statement about the open fire sequence which, of course, completely destroys Antonio's reconstruction of the battle. W-W...
by dunmunro
Sat Sep 09, 2017 9:45 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?
Replies: 174
Views: 1800

Re: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?

Hello everybody, @ Dunmunro, we know very well at what distance he was at a certain point into the battle, since he himself signed his own declaration at the Hood first board of inquiry. We know what he and others did after that initial declaration ... now. We can evaluate what he should or could h...

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