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by dunmunro
Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:53 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: More on KGV Class main armament problems
Replies: 177
Views: 3256

Re: More on KGV Class main armament problems

Gentlemen, Another question I'm afraid! If for instance, a ship was firing full broadsides as I believe happened at Matapan and perhaps with Rodney in the final stages of the battle, would their output not be greater than if they just fired salvo's even though perhaps the actual rate of fire overal...
by dunmunro
Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:36 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: More on KGV Class main armament problems
Replies: 177
Views: 3256

Re: More on KGV Class main armament problems

At Matapan 3 RN battleships engaged the RM cruisers at night: Warspite engaged 3 successive targets and fired 7 broadsides in less than 5 minutes. Valiant fired 7 broadsides at two successive targets. Barham fired 6 broadsides at "" "". Removing time to train her guns, Warspite fired 7 broadsides (e...
by dunmunro
Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:12 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: More on KGV Class main armament problems
Replies: 177
Views: 3256

Re: More on KGV Class main armament problems

Gentlemen, Once again yet another topic has ended up as a rather bad tempered slanging match, this time even involving our moderator who (as always)is doing his very best to keep the peace.Surely, as adults, it must be possible to discuss and debate each others theories and opinions without getting...
by dunmunro
Tue Jun 11, 2019 6:48 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: More on KGV Class main armament problems
Replies: 177
Views: 3256

Re: More on KGV Class main armament problems

The above chaos is obviously what has driven Mr Rico, the owner of this fine and praiseworthy forum, to seek the aid of Bill Jurens. I have known Bill for a LONG time. One would be hard pressed to find a more polite, helpful, even-tempered, reasonable, respectful, resourceful and intelligent gentle...
by dunmunro
Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:42 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941
Replies: 251
Views: 5469

Re: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941

HMS Cornwall was commanded by Captain Manwaring and HMS Dorestshire by Captain Agar, who by way of seniority was in overall command.
by dunmunro
Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:23 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: More on KGV Class main armament problems
Replies: 177
Views: 3256

Re: More on KGV Class main armament problems

Lutjens reduced speed but never below about ~20 knots. Lutjens and BrinkMann's immediate concern was to find fuel for PE. von Mullencheim describes speed reduction down to 16kts; other sources 12kts. It is a simple arithmetical calculus to be done to check this fact: if Victorious was at 350nm away...
by dunmunro
Thu May 30, 2019 10:58 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: More on KGV Class main armament problems
Replies: 177
Views: 3256

Re: More on KGV Class main armament problems

As I've stated earlier I will no longer reply to posts from members of the forum who are not, IMHO, amenable to reasoned argument. It would be remarkable if PE's B turret was partially out of action at ceasefire but Jasper's report states otherwise. Page 40 of the PG-KTB gives the status of PE's mai...
by dunmunro
Thu May 30, 2019 9:04 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: More on KGV Class main armament problems
Replies: 177
Views: 3256

Re: More on KGV Class main armament problems

single handed combat against two efficient ships, and Leach was correct to disengage from the 1st action before his ship's mobility was further impaired. The ships were not efficient. Prinz Eugen accumulated various problems of gunnery, and Bismarck was firing extremely slowly for a ship on rapid f...
by dunmunro
Thu May 30, 2019 6:49 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: More on KGV Class main armament problems
Replies: 177
Views: 3256

Re: More on KGV Class main armament problems

We don’t know whether standing off and entering 20 km exchange would have been better. It is not about working better, it's about doing the correct thing according to tactical situation and orders. As it was, Leach was simply extremely lucky that day, firstly by not being killed on the spot by a sh...
by dunmunro
Wed May 29, 2019 8:37 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: More on KGV Class main armament problems
Replies: 177
Views: 3256

Re: More on KGV Class main armament problems

Gentlemen, Re this post by alecsandros: Throughout the engagement the conditions in "A" shell handling room were very bad; water was pouring down from the upper part of the mounting. Only one drain is fitted and became choked; with the result that water accumulated and washed from side to side as t...
by dunmunro
Mon May 27, 2019 7:44 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: More on KGV Class main armament problems
Replies: 177
Views: 3256

Re: More on KGV Class main armament problems

Fellow Contributors, Notwithstanding Phil's expert input, I hope the following will protect me: The default licence for most Crown copyright and Crown database right information is the Open Government Licence. I am not reproducing images from the NA Image library. I have made my own images of docum...
by dunmunro
Sat May 25, 2019 9:49 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: More on KGV Class main armament problems
Replies: 177
Views: 3256

Re: More on KGV Class main armament problems

Gentlemen, On the above page which gives the 'Working up' and completion dates it states: KGV started WU 10/12/40 completed 10/01/40 should this not be 10/01/41? Also for PoW WU 5/04/41 complete 17/05/41 These dates show approx 1 month working up to completion for KGV and approx 6 weeks for PoW, I ...
by dunmunro
Sat May 25, 2019 2:20 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: More on KGV Class main armament problems
Replies: 177
Views: 3256

Re: More on KGV Class main armament problems

alecsandros wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 5:31 pm


Prinz Eugen's gunnery output during 1st engagement was 85%, and during second engagement unknown.
2nd engagement?
by dunmunro
Fri May 24, 2019 5:58 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: More on KGV Class main armament problems
Replies: 177
Views: 3256

Re: More on KGV Class main armament problems

Fellow Contributors, To mark the anniversary of the sinking of Hood here are some more items of original documentation. All are Crown Copyright. The first confirms that the gun trials carried out shortly before her first mission, gave the Admiralty representatives who were aboard the "impression" t...