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by dunmunro
Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:22 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?
Replies: 199
Views: 1976

Re: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?

Hi Duncan, I give up here. If you consider that a flag officer wearing the uniform of the Royal Navy should be worried about the unlikely probability that someone could divert his fire from a battleship squadron to target his ship, and even in this unlikely situation he is worried about the very un...
by dunmunro
Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:58 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?
Replies: 199
Views: 1976

Re: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?

Hi Duncan, a first salvo hitting from 10 sm was very very unlikely as demonstrated by the 3 salvos fired by BS from 7 sm (not 10sm....) against Norfolk, with just a near miss, without even trying to use her 6"..... Of course Wake -Walker may have heroically though that " there is always a...
by dunmunro
Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:08 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?
Replies: 199
Views: 1976

Re: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?

Dunmunro wrote: "Bismarck had 15cm guns as well." Hi Duncan, are you now saying that W-W was fearful of the 6" guns, being on a heavy cruiser ? :negative: you wrote: "PoW was not hit after she began a series of high speed turns, but this was not something that W-W's cruisers cou...
by dunmunro
Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:48 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?
Replies: 199
Views: 1976

Re: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?

.......Where as for others it's due to new evidence between the two inquiries or evidence from new sources or just incorrect or mistaken entries. I agree that the 'fact' is that there are disparities in evidences for a great deal of evidences between the two inquiries and reports, but proving the r...
by dunmunro
Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:40 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?
Replies: 199
Views: 1976

Re: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?

However, as you say, in the same conditions, the Germans fired at PoW retreating under smoke, after they were consistently straddling her at each salvo. Distance was from 7 to 8 sm , range was already acquired. They scored 0 hits, obtained 0 damage from near miss: Bismarck fired 3 salvos while stil...
by dunmunro
Tue Sep 26, 2017 8:44 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?
Replies: 199
Views: 1976

Re: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?

Herr Nilsson wrote:What about:

0550: “Hood” and “Prince of Wales” in sight 220° 14 miles
?

In your drawings it's 215°.



It was nice of Hood and PoW to appear at a nice even 220d and not an awkward 221.4 or 118.7d...
by dunmunro
Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:10 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?
Replies: 199
Views: 1976

Re: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?

Dunmunro wrote: "The great fear on Norfolk and Suffolk was that Bismarck and PE would turn north at high speed and attempt to withdraw" Hi Duncan, we are finally in agreement now :clap: , a turn to north was a possibility, NOT a suicidal turn to east (against Norfolk, as you were suggesti...
by dunmunro
Fri Sep 22, 2017 10:04 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?
Replies: 199
Views: 1976

Re: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?

Dunmunro wrote: " if Bismarck turned and pursued Norfolk....., " Hi Duncan, are you serious saying there was a risk that Bismarck turned to pursue Norfolk being confronted to 2 British battleships ? :negative: you wrote: "W-W was pushing Norfolk to her limits as Norfolk had very litt...
by dunmunro
Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:33 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?
Replies: 199
Views: 1976

Re: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?

Hi All Hi Alberto, no problem whatsoever I fully understand what you are saying and accept all of your viewpoints as always. I know you do the same, for me these are stumbling blocks I can't work out as of yet. I just have questions, I try to see this Machiavellian dastardly plot to hide truth or c...
by dunmunro
Fri Sep 22, 2017 3:40 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?
Replies: 199
Views: 1976

Re: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?

Cag wrote: "Ellis and Wake-Walker did not need to put their ships in danger, and so did not do so, again in hindsight the right choice." Hi Mr.Cag, yes but only with hindsight..... :think: you wrote: "Suddenly a theoretical two battleships to one advantage became a battleship and hea...
by dunmunro
Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:06 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?
Replies: 199
Views: 1976

Re: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?

Hello everybody, @ CAG, welcome back on this discussion, and I hope all is OK for you and your family, ... which is the most important thing. Back on this historical re-construction long discussion, never forget that they were simply applying a received direction on what to do, ... in these type of...
by dunmunro
Wed Sep 20, 2017 5:16 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?
Replies: 199
Views: 1976

Re: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?

Hi all, thanks to Antonio's work, this is the only available battlemap (an evolution of 2005 Antonio's map) as per today (if we exclude Pinchin's Plot, already demonstrated as intentionally incorrect). This map has been published on "Storia Militare" n.281 in 2017, after being checked by ...
by dunmunro
Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:27 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?
Replies: 199
Views: 1976

Re: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?

Wadinga wrote: "Busch does not say Suffolk, he does not say cruiser, he does not say ship, he says mast." Hi Sean, yes, he says a mast on bearing 15° at 176 hectometers. He also says the other enemies are on bearing 96° (Norfolk) and 157° (BC1) and these are perfectly matching the bearing...
by dunmunro
Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:11 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?
Replies: 199
Views: 1976

Re: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?

Dunmunro wrote: "If Norfolk had closed to 9nm she would probably have been sunk by Bismarck." Hi Duncan, not at all, as demonstrated by Suffolk running at 9 sm (176 hectometers as per F.O.Busch or 18.000 yards as per Ellis autobiography) at around 5:30, before her turn away) and not being...
by dunmunro
Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:02 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?
Replies: 199
Views: 1976

Re: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?

Dunmunro wrote: "her (Norfolk) maximum speed on 24 May 1941 was probably ~30.5 knots." Hi Duncan, thanks for the info, however, on May 24, all ships were consistently running faster than their max theoretical speed, due to water temperature AND due to the exceptional circumstances (e.g. w...

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