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by dunmunro
Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:23 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: KGV + PoW
Replies: 89
Views: 2812

Re: KGV + PoW

The KM were able to inspect the plans for Richelieu, and the via German Armistice Commission were also able to inspect the ship itself. ... To state that KM understood in March 1941 (date of the report) what tonnage additions will be done to Richelieu in 1943 (when she was finally declared fit for ...
by dunmunro
Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:14 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: KGV + PoW
Replies: 89
Views: 2812

Re: KGV + PoW

See G&D page 98 and 148(below). Richelieu fuel capacity was 6796 tons in Nov 1943 after her USA refit. Full load was 47721 tons and after removing fuel and reserve feed water and LIQUIDS we get ~40000 tons . LIQUIDS. Liquids such as these: Propulsion fuel oil (0.852): (diesel) 527 tonnes Lubricatin...
by dunmunro
Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:56 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: KGV + PoW
Replies: 89
Views: 2812

Re: KGV + PoW

J&D state 5866 tonnes of fuel (p.99) No, J/D give 5866 tonnes of fuel in PEACE TIME , and 4500 tonnes of fuel in wartime to maximize the effectiveness of the underwater protection system (pg 118). Why haven't you presented this above ? I know this is difficult for you to understand, but page 118 de...
by dunmunro
Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:42 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: KGV + PoW
Replies: 89
Views: 2812

Re: KGV + PoW

Removing fuel and reserve feed water = standard displacement!!! So you compare one battleship with NO liquids inside with another battleship at STANDARD displacement ? Standard Displacement: 1) The standard displacement of a warship was defined in the Washington Naval Treaty of 1922 as the displace...
by dunmunro
Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:38 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Anson and Tirpitz
Replies: 34
Views: 325

Re: Anson and Tirpitz

284P was not deployed. They decided to wait until 274 was available instead. I'm not sure why you'd think that. Anyways I've identified type 284P4 on several cruisers via their action reports in Glasgow, Black Prince and Diadem. I suspect that policy might have been to upgrade 284 to 284M but Anson...
by dunmunro
Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:48 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: KGV + PoW
Replies: 89
Views: 2812

Re: KGV + PoW

alecsandros wrote:
Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:58 pm
dunmunro wrote:
Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:45 am
Full load was 47721 tons and after removing fuel and reserve feed water and liquids we get ~40000 tons.
And what is the displacement of Tirpitz in 1943 after removing fuel and reserve feed water and liquids.... ?
Removing fuel and reserve feed water = standard displacement!!!
by dunmunro
Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:45 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: KGV + PoW
Replies: 89
Views: 2812

Re: KGV + PoW

Richelieu had many additions by Nov 1943 including a huge increase in AA armament. She carried 7500 tonnes of fuel according to the KM study, plus reserve feedwater and diesel so her standard displacement was still under 40000 tons. It seems you entered the lack of comprehension dubious gang ? KM s...
by dunmunro
Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:16 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Anson and Tirpitz
Replies: 34
Views: 325

Re: Anson and Tirpitz

Thanks Dave, I think you may well be right, however with 10 guns v 8 (and all firing properly!) would Anson not cause an immense amount of damage to Tirpitz's upperworks, including her radar, fire control systems etc even though her shells might not actually penetrate the main armour, in a similar ...
by dunmunro
Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:12 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: KGV + PoW
Replies: 89
Views: 2812

Re: KGV + PoW

G&D state Bismarck's full load displacement as 52360 tons ( 53200 tonnes ) which is close to the KM figures for their comparison of Richelieu and Bismarck. I know. The huge full load displacement comes mainly from the large (by contemporary standards) fuel oil supply + drinking water , washing wate...
by dunmunro
Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:55 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: KGV + PoW
Replies: 89
Views: 2812

Re: KGV + PoW

for their comparison of Richelieu and Bismarck. Remember KM did not know the status in which Richelieu was. Richelieu was completed and finally declared fit for service only in Nov 1943, when she was >43.000 long tons standard and 47500 long tons full load. Thus she was practically the same std. di...
by dunmunro
Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:11 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: KGV + PoW
Replies: 89
Views: 2812

Re: KGV + PoW

As I stated, there are variations in which weights are included to calculate standard displacement. When the the RN compared KGV to USS Washington in a classified wartime study (in much the same way that the KM compared Bismarck to Richelieu) the RN used 36730 tons as KGV's standard displacement ve...
by dunmunro
Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:39 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: KGV + PoW
Replies: 89
Views: 2812

Re: KGV + PoW

If we add the diesel to Bismarck's standard displacement it goes up to 44786 tons (45505 tonnes) . Adding in the reserve fresh drinking/washing water Bismarck's standard displacement would exceed 45000 tons. Bismarck's reserve of lube oil, excluded from standard displacement is also much greater th...
by dunmunro
Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:15 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: KGV + PoW
Replies: 89
Views: 2812

Re: KGV + PoW

Tarrant doesn't give a date for KGV's inclining, but in any event PoW was probably modified while building, just as Tirpitz was. You understand that Prince of Wales was over 39000 tons standard in March 1941 ? Looking at : http://www.kbismarck.com/bsweights.html we can see some differences in above...
by dunmunro
Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:36 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck firing procedures at DS
Replies: 673
Views: 45858

Re: Bismarck firing procedures at DS

Yes, the film and photos don't show much in the way of smoke obscuring Bismarck's forward director tower, but I find it interesting that this smoke is supposed to slow Bismarck's RoF but PoW's smokescreen, fire and funnel smoke supposedly had no effect at all.. :think: At 3:40 in this film clip we g...
by dunmunro
Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:18 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Anson and Tirpitz
Replies: 34
Views: 325

Re: Anson and Tirpitz

:) What 'alternate aaa guns' were installed instead of the 37 and 13:2mm, and when ? What is that reload time of 15 minutes ? Do you honestly think that ship was completed ? Perhaps that's why an extra 3000tons of weight was added after the refit in the US in 1943 ? (they can't be all coming from a...