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by dunmunro
Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:20 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 833
Views: 17667

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Everything is confirmed by Robin Brodhurst book : Churchill anchor - The biography of Adm Pound edited on February 2001. On the pages from 178 until to 183 there the same story with the Court Martial attempt ( page 180 ) and of Churchill continuous presence on the phone from Chequers and directly i...
by dunmunro
Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:52 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 833
Views: 17667

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

We have a whole plethora of people who would or should have been "in the know" about a threatened CMDS yet the only source cited by every book that mentions this is ultimately Tovey... :think:

Strange don't you think?
by dunmunro
Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:01 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 833
Views: 17667

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Dunmunro wrote: "We have no corroborating evidence of a CMDS threat from Admiralty sources or from any source other than Tovey." Hi Duncan, who else could have heard the Court-Martial threat, in your opinion ? Of course you don't consider Churchill comment " the worst thing since Tro...
by dunmunro
Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:24 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 833
Views: 17667

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Wadinga wrote:"now we agree that the CMDS threat was made during a conversation on 30th May" Hi Sean, ALLELUIA ! :dance: You now admit the Court Martial threat after having all of us loosing time and patience reading your denials, mostly full of sarcastic teasing.... I'm assuming now that...
by dunmunro
Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:17 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 833
Views: 17667

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

So a thorough investigation is just a careful reading of Tovey's despatch? Did Norfolk's action report which was written independently of the triangle of doom, support the ranges produced by the triangle? Did Norfolk's plot support it? Why would an erroneous set of ranges based upon an inquiry into ...
by dunmunro
Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:05 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 833
Views: 17667

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Rhys-Jones makes assumptions while using secondary sources. No Admiralty source seems to exist that confirms "...automatic court martial...".
by dunmunro
Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:05 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 833
Views: 17667

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hello everybody, before the trolling activity came into this thread... People are not trolling when posting their honest opinions. We don't know what Leach might have done if Y turret hadn't jammed. PoW effectively had two guns completely out of action (one permanent and the other due to continual ...
by dunmunro
Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:21 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Bismarck and Iowa
Replies: 49
Views: 2226

Re: Bismarck and Iowa

@spicmart: Bismarck's torpedo defense system was rated to withstand 250kg of TNT, expectation was that damage inwards of the TDS from larger explosions would be contained rather than prevented - Bismarck featured extensive subdivision. The rating seems quite conservative; German assumptions of the ...
by dunmunro
Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:37 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 833
Views: 17667

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

I'm with Wadinga on this. Everything boils down to what Tovey wrote, years after the fact, with no corroborating evidence from other sources. Additionally, the cover up claim which now involves the people who would be conducting/ordering a DSCM is becoming wildly improbable.
by dunmunro
Sat Nov 25, 2017 8:22 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 833
Views: 17667

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Cag wrote: "If the admiralty had the Tovey and Leach documents (or even only the Tovey report) as early as the very first days of June was the temporary break off not then fully explained by Tovey (and or Leach) at this time?" Hi Mr.Cag, I don't follow your reasoning here. Which Tovey rep...
by dunmunro
Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:07 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 833
Views: 17667

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Antonio, it is rather unfair to present documents that you have but withhold them while we discuss snippets from those documents, since the snippets may not fairly represent the entirety of what's being discussed in the documents.
by dunmunro
Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:21 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 833
Views: 17667

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hello everybody, @ Dunmunro, you wrote : seems to be extracted from a minute dated 31 July 1941. Therefore it would seem that Pound/Admiralty was unaware that further explanation, regarding PoW breaking off the action, was required prior to that date. The length of time between memos would indicate...
by dunmunro
Fri Nov 24, 2017 8:33 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 833
Views: 17667

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hello everybody, @ Dunmunro, sorry, before I proceed with the other parts of the document I Iike your agreement of what they mean, ... step by step. Do you understand and agree that the MATTER they wanted MORE EXPLANATION was the PoW retreat and NOT the RD/F jamming ? Do you agree that this : Ref. ...
by dunmunro
Fri Nov 24, 2017 7:36 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 833
Views: 17667

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Antonio Bonomi wrote:Hello everybody,

@ Dunmunro,



Antonio, since you have already posted the above pages, why not make them fully legible?

From what I can tease out of them. I don't see anything untoward.
by dunmunro
Fri Nov 24, 2017 6:43 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 833
Views: 17667

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hello everybody, @ Wadinga, here the " shame " everybody must see and read in full details, the one Stephen Roskill referred and directed everybody to read about all this " regrettable aftermath ". I asked you already several times to allow everybody to read what has been done a...

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