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by dunmunro
Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:13 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?
Replies: 179
Views: 2164

Re: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?

Hello Alberto, Are either you or Mr Santarini as familiar with the intricacies of the 14" systems of P o W as: signed by Captain Gerald M B Langley Director of Gunnery and Anti-Aircraft Warfare Division ? Hmmm, I thought not. Here's a clue: The bit with a little round door is the safe end. :lo...
by dunmunro
Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:54 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Direct Hits received by H.M. Ships on May 27
Replies: 19
Views: 302

Re: Direct Hits received by H.M. Ships on May 27

I agree completely with the above. There's no corroborating evidence that Rodney was hit by any intact shells.

I felt compelled to provide the information from Miller, but it is certain that Miller was mistaken.
by dunmunro
Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:59 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Direct Hits received by H.M. Ships on May 27
Replies: 19
Views: 302

Re: Direct Hits received by H.M. Ships on May 27

Hi Duncan, thanks, to me as well the damages look inconsistent with 4 direct hits exploding in the ship. However, the fact that the holes are exactly 6" ones, that the position of 2 hits is very high over the water (I agree a 15"shell fragment can be projected at very high heights, but al...
by dunmunro
Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:17 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Direct Hits received by H.M. Ships on May 27
Replies: 19
Views: 302

Re: Direct Hits received by H.M. Ships on May 27

Hi Duncan, thanks for posting this new info! :clap: :clap: :clap: I see on Wellings book that Miller was a USN chief petty officer, passenger on board Rodney. However, how could an experienced sailor attribute to 5,9" shells and not to splinters ALL these damages, describing two of them as 6&q...
by dunmunro
Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:17 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Direct Hits received by H.M. Ships on May 27
Replies: 19
Views: 302

Re: Direct Hits received by H.M. Ships on May 27

Anyways, we might as well get this out of the way: Statement of Chief Petty Officer Miller, USN.(35) ENEMY ACTION The ship received four (4) hits—all 5.9" shells. Damage from these hits were very minor, no structural damage being sustained whatsoever. One (1) hit in H.A. Director, causing a sma...
by dunmunro
Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:30 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Direct Hits received by H.M. Ships on May 27
Replies: 19
Views: 302

Re: Direct Hits received by H.M. Ships on May 27

Hello everybody, I am sure that also in this case they followed Sir W. Churchill directions to Adm Godfrey ( Naval Intelligence Department - NID ) about how to manage the information : Good news was made to seem better; bad news was toned down, delayed or sometimes suppressed. Nothing that will sur...
by dunmunro
Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:21 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The KGV and Adm fuel signals on May 26 and 27.
Replies: 189
Views: 2249

Re: The KGV and Adm fuel signals on May 26 and 27.

All signals sent were apparently decodable by any RN ship, including the other ROOF messages and the 1137/27 ROOF message.

As I stated it was of vital interest to the other RN ships to be informed of Tovey and KGV's probable course.
by dunmunro
Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:19 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The KGV and Adm fuel signals on May 26 and 27.
Replies: 189
Views: 2249

Re: The KGV and Adm fuel signals on May 26 and 27.

Hi all, I think the point is exactly the one Paul has raised: is there still available in any place an original signal log , written at the time ? Antonio showed that even an original log can be "altered "due to a valid war reason (as per Glorious episode)..... Of course the alteration of...
by dunmunro
Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:04 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The KGV and Adm fuel signals on May 26 and 27.
Replies: 189
Views: 2249

Re: The KGV and Adm fuel signals on May 26 and 27.

Signals are recorded by every ship that that intercepts the radio transmission. Dozens of ships and even RCN radio stations in Canada would have recorded a message ordering "...KGV to pursue Bismarck to the shores of France..." or words to that effect, yet the only source for it is Tovey'...
by dunmunro
Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:34 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The KGV and Adm fuel signals on May 26 and 27.
Replies: 189
Views: 2249

Re: The KGV and Adm fuel signals on May 26 and 27.

Hello everybody, from my work on HMS Glorious years ago : https://www.scharnhorst-class.dk/scharnhorst/history/scharnjuno.html The Admiralty were very concerned that no useful enemy reports had been received and later asked all UK shore W/T stations if anyone had heard any sort of signal from Glori...
by dunmunro
Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:52 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?
Replies: 179
Views: 2164

Re: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?

PE's gunnery output is irrelevant in terms of understanding Bismarck's output. You cannot take considered speculation and then accept it as a hard fact, and also you cannot put information into W-W and Leach's minds that they could not know. Leach and W-W could only form an opinion as to PoW's proba...
by dunmunro
Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:56 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?
Replies: 179
Views: 2164

Re: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?

Dunmunro wrote: "PoW's radar system were OOS, she lost one 14in gun permanently, and all her secondary FC systems were OOS before Leach turned at ~0602. She then lost Y turret for 4 hours" Hi Duncan, Bismarck lost her fore radar too. PoW did NOT loose any gun permanently . Which gun ? I h...
by dunmunro
Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:10 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?
Replies: 179
Views: 2164

Re: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?

PoW's radar system were OOS, she lost one 14in gun permanently, and all her secondary FC systems were OOS before Leach turned at ~0602. She then lost Y turret for 4 hours After the loss of Y turret it was apparent that there was a design flaw in the turret ammo feed system, and this undoubtedly weig...
by dunmunro
Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:24 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?
Replies: 179
Views: 2164

Re: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?

Hello everybody, It reminds me about a couple of other situations I have lived in the past on those forums ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhRUe-gz690 ... same stubborn and blind reluctance to accept the evident facts, ... same sad end ... and the same final winner. Bye Antonio :D "...stub...
by dunmunro
Wed Feb 07, 2018 7:51 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 1050
Views: 22489

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Paul Mercer wrote: "I was always lead to believe that in a naval engagement the Captain fights the ship (helm orders, how the guns were used etc) and the Admiral fights the battle, is this true?" Hi Paul, in principle, very generically speaking, you are correct, especially when both are o...

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