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Dave,

Thank you for your efforts. I wonder why there is no comparison between the old and new version. Those who have an old copy could easily confirm manipulation. To pass up that opportunity would be very unusual.

Ah, OK I see. Is there any more reliable and verifiable source than "those that have copies"?

@RF Reading both sections of chapter 8 I see no evidence of "manipulation of science". Furthermore the agreed comments weren't replaced by the quoted sentences, but IMHO rather have been summed up by the sentence: As noted in Section 8.1, attribution involves statistical testing of alternative expla...

Isn't it the nature of a draft to be altered?

All of the criticised models are developed and documented in peer-reviewed scientific journals. The IPCC reports are summaries of these papers. Did you miss this part?: Santer created the first clear example of the IPCC manipulation of science for a political agenda. He used his position to establi...

Hello Alberto,

yes, that're just the very few messages (mostly operational messages), which couldn't be deciphered by the B-Dienst almost immediately. It seems they weren't deciphered before the end of Rheinübung.
I doubt there is a complete list.

...or even ignored by the German service (e.g. the message transmitted by a plane at 12:00 on May 26, signalling 4 unknown units: they were the 5 destroyers of the 4th flotilla (Vian) running to intercept Bismarck). Apparently this last message intercepted by Supermarina and already decrypted by 13...

Just two comments for now: In fact as you can see on my maps comparison above I have made on same scale for easier evaluations, those distances apply to 23 minutes ( not to 22 ) and consequently the speed once calculated for 23 minutes falls down below the 28 knots average as it should be. Why falls...

Antonio, that are assumptions I can’t easily agree without any deeper analysis. As I‘ve demonstrated slight variations in bearings and speed have an immense impact. If wadinga is right the result will again be totally different. PoW‘s track has to be adjusted as well, because some bearings are very ...

Hello Antonio, I have some difficulties with that simple explanation. I think we agree that 27 knots in 23 minutes are 10.35 sm, while 28 knots are 10,73 sm in the same time. I took the liberty to adjust the bearings and Prinz Eugen's track. Then I've shifted the track parallel to your original trac...

Bismarck and Prinz Eugen had the same speed. Bismarck made revolutions for 28 knots and Prinz Eugen for 27 knots. The question is whose calibration was right. In any case Bismarck at 30 knots would be just 2 knots faster than Prinz Eugen... not 3...and it‘s very, very questionable that Bismarck acce...

Just for the record, Prinz Eugen made revolutions for 27 knots to match Bismarck‘s 28 knots.

@Alberto and Antonio

Thank you. Now I see. However, my ruler says ~18.8 sm. That would match Leach's statement of 38,000 yard.

Alberto Virtuani wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 17, 2018 6:33 pm

The message sent at 05:37 speaks about one ship, bearing 334° distance 17 sm (wrong, they were almost 20 sm at that hour).

Sorry, I've lost track. Why 20 sm?

To be honest I have the problem that the times on the tracks of the German ships are unreadable on your map.