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by RF
Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:22 am
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: The French fleet
Replies: 12
Views: 219

Re: The French fleet

Gentlemen, As always, my thanks for your expert opinions. What has always puzzled me is why the French were so reluctant to sail their ships out and join the RN when they had a chance - and were offered this as an alternative. Was it because of old long standing enmity between the British and the F...
by RF
Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:10 am
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: The French fleet
Replies: 12
Views: 219

Re: The French fleet

Just look at what happened at Mers-el-Kabir. It could have caused Vichy France to have fully joined the Axis and declare war on Britain, just as Italy had just entered the war, with French forces in the African colonies (especially North Africa) and the middle East ready to join in with the Italians...
by RF
Tue Aug 15, 2017 6:12 pm
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: The French fleet
Replies: 12
Views: 219

Re: The French fleet

Surely they never got into the Atlantic because the RN stood in the way? I also doubt the RN fleet tied up in the Med was not valuable, so keeping it there did matter. What I was referring to, as other respondents have also alluded, was the entirely defensive posture of the Italians, particulary th...
by RF
Thu Aug 10, 2017 1:41 pm
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: The French fleet
Replies: 12
Views: 219

Re: The French fleet

Gentlemen, In your opinion, would Hitler and the German navy used the French fleet if it had not been all but destroyed, or would the French admirals have scuttled them first? Hitler had an opportunity to force the French to hand over their fleet to the Germans at the armistice ceremony at Compiegn...
by RF
Thu Aug 10, 2017 1:27 pm
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: The French fleet
Replies: 12
Views: 219

Re: The French fleet

Not just trained personnel but also of course shortages in fuel oil.

Any extra fuel devoted to French ships means even less for the regular German warships and U-boats.
by RF
Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:26 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: May 24 1941 - Tirpitz v Prince of Wales
Replies: 177
Views: 4925

Re: May 24 1941 - Tirpitz v Prince of Wales

Further to the above, RN roundup of supply ships for U-boats remained effective not just in summer 1941 but continued into late autumn/winter, as evidenced with the fate of the hilfskruezer Atlantis and the rescue ship Python. Note that these operations were effective against known supply ships. The...
by RF
Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:17 am
Forum: World War II
Topic: Hitlers invasion of Russia
Replies: 3
Views: 81

Re: Hitlers invasion of Russia

The detailed plan for Barbarossa was drawn up by General Alfred Marcks, and I think it was the best plan the Germans had with their available resources. This plan identified Moscow as the key target, with Leningrad a secondary target. The problem was that the Fuhrer deviated from the plan with his c...
by RF
Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:29 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Teleportation: H Classe in place of Bismarck
Replies: 21
Views: 291

Re: Teleportation: H Classe in place of Bismarck

Honestly, if H is ready to go for Rheinübung, than you have either BS or TP available too. So H and BS will go and the short legged Prinz will stay at home, or go to Norway. Then we have a totally different can of worms :lol: Well, yes the thinking here is logical. However my thoughts were what if ...
by RF
Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:46 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Teleportation: H Classe in place of Bismarck
Replies: 21
Views: 291

Re: Teleportation: H Classe in place of Bismarck

with Marschall in command (instead of Lutjens), I'm not sure Der Fuhrer would not have pursued PoW after Hood sinking in a stern chase (and due to the PoW Y turret jamming , she could have possibly had good chances of finishing her). However, getting other damages in return, disobeying orders and c...
by RF
Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:45 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Teleportation: H Classe in place of Bismarck
Replies: 21
Views: 291

Teleportation: H Classe in place of Bismarck

As a number of fairly recent topics here have involved teleportation of ships in space and time, I offer for consideration a typical Hitlerian brainstorm: the first H Classe battleship is ready for action in May 1941 and on Hitler's personal order the ship has been named Der Fuhrer ! Der Fuhrer sail...
by RF
Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:08 am
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: The Heinkel HE177
Replies: 16
Views: 423

Re: The Heinkel HE177

, but the main Luftwaffe role was to help the army capture territory, not engage in long range bomber war. Strategic bombing was to be used on those who couldn't strike back eg Warsaw, Rotterdam etc because they didn't have a bomber force. From 1939 essentially the role of the Luftwaffe was one of ...
by RF
Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:03 am
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: The Heinkel HE177
Replies: 16
Views: 423

Re: The Heinkel HE177

Dave Saxton wrote:The HE177 was a four engine bomber that had a long agonizing development beginning in 1938


Work on a long range strategic bomber should have been started a lot earlier than 1938.

Failure to develop such a weapon was in my view one of the major strategic military blunders by Hitler.
by RF
Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:59 am
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: The Heinkel HE177
Replies: 16
Views: 423

Re: The Heinkel HE177

I don't see that an operational HE 177 could have been of much use to the KM. Italian experience of using high level bombers in the Med illustrates that it would not be an accurate weapon against ships. Its possible use as a dive bomber I find difficult to take seriously. What the KM really needed w...
by RF
Fri May 12, 2017 5:35 pm
Forum: World War II
Topic: Battle of the Bulge
Replies: 20
Views: 1632

Re: Battle of the Bulge

Not only Germany but also the whole of Austria and quite likely Denmark as well. In that scenario the Cold War in Europe would be much more in favour of Stalin and his successors - Finland would be communist and Sweden and Norway also sucked into the Soviet ambit. With Soviet forces on the borders o...
by RF
Wed May 10, 2017 6:13 pm
Forum: World War II
Topic: Battle of the Bulge
Replies: 20
Views: 1632

Re: Battle of the Bulge

As I understand it Hitler was sufficiently astute in October 1944 to realise that while a substantial counter stroke in the West would have an impact because the Allied Expeditionary Force was at the limit of its supplies, a similar assault in the East would have no impact at all on the Soviet Army ...

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