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by RF
Fri Mar 03, 2017 6:22 pm
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: Documentry on Sinking Tirpitz
Replies: 2
Views: 106

Re: Documentry on Sinking Tirpitz

I can't get the link either.

I presume this is the programme about the Dambusters raid that saw the final destruction of Tirpitz, which I have seen several times.
by RF
Fri Feb 10, 2017 9:45 am
Forum: The Wreck of the Bismarck
Topic: Bismarck Wreck Salvage
Replies: 113
Views: 75999

Re: Bismarck Wreck Salvage

Don't forget, the Bismarck was crippled when the British warships arrived, was pretty much a slaughter. The British could have saved many of its crew, I see it as a war crime - a disgrace by the English! Why a disgrace? Bismarck was still fully armed with its 15 inch guns intact. Dorsetshire and Ma...
by RF
Fri Feb 10, 2017 9:36 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: A desicive battle WW2
Replies: 54
Views: 3670

Re: A desicive battle WW2

There wasn't any specific plan for that, its just how it all panned out. Japanese fighters should have been poisoned over the carriers as a reserve against further attack - but they had all gone after the torpedo bombers and didn't have enough time to climb and meet the dive bombers. The diamond clo...
by RF
Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:49 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Bismarck and Iowa
Replies: 43
Views: 796

Re: Bismarck and Iowa

The crippling hits on Bismarck and Prince of Wales have nothing to do with the merits of their respective TDS, that would be akin to "helmet faulty, didn't prevent kneecapping (when worn on head)". Torpedo defence has to consider the entire below waterline part of the ship and as such isn...
by RF
Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:21 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Bismarck and Iowa
Replies: 43
Views: 796

Re: Bismarck and Iowa

Iowa, without a doubt, she was a much more modern design with armour at least as heavy if not heavier than Bismarck and of course mounting 9 x 16" main armament and better AA weapons. As for resistance against bombs and torpedoes its hard to say, after all two of the largest battleships Yamato...
by RF
Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:19 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Bismarck and Iowa
Replies: 43
Views: 796

Re: Bismarck and Iowa

alecsandros wrote:In terms of anti-torpedo protection, Bismarck had stronger defense.


But it still failed to stop the ship from being crippled - and ultimately sunk.
by RF
Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:16 am
Forum: Movies, Films, Documentaries and Games
Topic: Documentary on Hood
Replies: 2
Views: 114

Re: Documentary on Hood

I did see part of the episode and what I did see I thought was rather boring, which is why I didn't watch all of it. My impression was that the focus was on the shipyard more than on the ship itself.
by RF
Sun Jan 08, 2017 6:05 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Hood v Vittorio Veneto
Replies: 560
Views: 8460

Re: Hood v Vittorio Veneto

Had a look on Amazon but could not find a copy, but there was the following by Milllington- Drake. The drama of Graf Spee and the Battle of the Plate: A documentary anthology 1914-1941 Jan 1964 I think this is the second print of the book. There was a small section in it concerning the 1914 battles...
by RF
Sun Jan 08, 2017 5:58 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Hood v Vittorio Veneto
Replies: 560
Views: 8460

Re: Hood v Vittorio Veneto

According to the final interview between Captain Patrick Dove and Kapitan Langsdorf the latter was able to identify Ajax and Achilles by name before AGS anchored at Montevideo. This interview is detailed verbatim in the Millington-Drake book. Langsdorf said that the Allied force was encountered and ...
by RF
Thu Jan 05, 2017 7:40 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Hood v Vittorio Veneto
Replies: 560
Views: 8460

Re: Hood v Vittorio Veneto

The one test of this is the River Plate battle..... My problems start with these words. It seems to me, that you say this battle disproves the german recommendations. Without any further explanation on your side. Its clear to me that you have misunderstood what I mean't with the second sentence quo...
by RF
Thu Jan 05, 2017 7:15 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Hood v Vittorio Veneto
Replies: 560
Views: 8460

Re: Hood v Vittorio Veneto

I dont know the "Millington-Drakes compendium". So it would be useful for me to get more details. Eugen Millington-Drake was the British ambassador to Uruguay at the time of this battle. After WW2 he compiled a very large book utilising a number of sources including official RN and RNZN d...
by RF
Thu Jan 05, 2017 11:33 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Hood v Vittorio Veneto
Replies: 560
Views: 8460

Re: Hood v Vittorio Veneto

What an arrogant response, totally over the top and totally unnecessary. You don't need detailed technical reports for this, the detail is contained in Millington-Drakes compendium and in later works. Achilles suffered superficial damage and casualties inflicted by shrapnel from external 11 inch she...
by RF
Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:33 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Hood v Vittorio Veneto
Replies: 560
Views: 8460

Re: Hood v Vittorio Veneto

would the armour piercing shells have gone straight through the lightly armoured cruisers? probably no. The Germans explicitly recommended the use of armor piercing shells as well as semi armor piercing shells(Psgr m Bdz and also Spgr mBdz) against light cruisers despite "paper like" armo...
by RF
Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:17 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: How did so many survive?
Replies: 22
Views: 1240

Re: How did so many survive?

If only Kapitan zur See Gustav Kleikamp had questioned his orders on the 1st of September 1939. "I'm supposed to be here on a Friendship Visit- surely there must be some mistake!" :shock: All the best wadinga Maybe, but he would have been aware of the political situation, otherwise why ca...
by RF
Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:15 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: How did so many survive?
Replies: 22
Views: 1240

Re: How did so many survive?

wadinga wrote:Indeed Beltsman,

Just like Scharnhorst's own crew left Glorious', Ardent's and Acasta's crews to
met a terrible fate as well, left to drown/freeze/




Some survivors were picked up.

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