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by RF
Wed May 02, 2018 6:29 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: renown and Rodney v Bismarck in the final battle
Replies: 3
Views: 584

Re: renown and Rodney v Bismarck in the final battle

Given the state Bismarck was in at the time of the final battle Renown would have had a decent chance without Rodney. In the actual final battle there was also Norfolk and Dorsetshire as well as Rodney. A key factor was that an 8 inch shell from Norfolk knocked out Schneiders' gunnery position in th...
by RF
Wed May 02, 2018 6:13 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: WW1 HMS Inflexible vs WW2 KMS Prinz Eugen
Replies: 13
Views: 1398

Re: WW1 HMS Inflexible vs WW2 KMS Prinz Eugen

paul.mercer wrote:[, but we should not forget the hammering that Warspite took when her rudder jammed and she circled right under the German guns.


Warspite of course was a battleship and not a battlecruiser.
by RF
Wed May 02, 2018 6:11 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Crossing the T
Replies: 10
Views: 1064

Re: Crossing the T

I find the concept of ''crossing the T'' difficult to understand. The ships being engaged from directly ahead by open broadsides are presenting the smallest target profile to the gunnery officers crossing the T. Unless the guns are exactly in line the target is going to be far more difficult to hit ...
by RF
Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:07 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Victorious and its involvement
Replies: 152
Views: 21644

Re: Victorious and its involvement

Unlikely that Bismarck would be firing its main armament at POW whilst manoeuvring to avoid torpedoes.
by RF
Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:38 am
Forum: Naval Technology
Topic: Yamotoand Mushashi
Replies: 11
Views: 1656

Re: Yamotoand Mushashi

Failure to properly co-operate and fight a joint war and instead fighting two separate wars in my view was the single biggest blunder the Axis powers made in WW2.

Ships such as Yamato would have been of far more use in the Atlantic than they were in the Pacific.
by RF
Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:17 pm
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: Recommendation of Victoria Cross.
Replies: 5
Views: 889

Re: Recommendation of Victoria Cross.

My understanding was that the VC was awarded when the evidence in German records and accounts of the action became available after Germany capitulated.

The only instance I am aware of a VC being awarded by specific recommendation by KM officers occurred after the raid on St Nazaire.
by RF
Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:48 pm
Forum: Naval Technology
Topic: Yamotoand Mushashi
Replies: 11
Views: 1656

Re: Yamato and Musashi

Dave Saxton wrote:.... by using the techniques used by American and particularly German shipyards.


With the concept of these ships the Japanese also missed a trick in not being party to the German naval Z Plan - not that the Fuhrer would allow such co-operation.....
by RF
Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:46 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: WW1 HMS Inflexible vs WW2 KMS Prinz Eugen
Replies: 13
Views: 1398

Re: WW1 HMS Inflexible vs WW2 KMS Prinz Eugen

The turrets and barbettes of Inflexible were known to be very vulnerable to flash. This is a key point. Knowing the opposition has only cruiser size guns instead of battlecruiser guns the Inflexible is likely to try to maximise its rate of fire by keeping the flash doors open. This will be particul...
by RF
Wed Feb 07, 2018 7:12 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: WW1 HMS Inflexible vs WW2 KMS Prinz Eugen
Replies: 13
Views: 1398

Re: WW1 HMS Inflexible vs WW2 KMS Prinz Eugen

I was thinking of the 1914 Inflexible (ie. Falklands battle) versus Prinz Eugen 1941 (ie. Denmark Strait battle). Thinking about it as this is entirely hypothetical you could look at it from two distinct scenario's - firstly as above and secondly with later versions of both ships, say 1918 and 1944 ...
by RF
Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:26 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: WW1 HMS Inflexible vs WW2 KMS Prinz Eugen
Replies: 13
Views: 1398

Re: WW1 HMS Inflexible vs WW2 KMS Prinz Eugen

, unless PE gets to within 12in gun range and then bad things happen to PE as her armour will not stop even a WW1 12in RN AP or Common shell. In 1914 it did take quite a lot of time and hits to sink the 'twins' though I suspect, from their name 'armoured cruiser' they were better armoured than the ...
by RF
Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:19 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: WW1 HMS Inflexible vs WW2 KMS Prinz Eugen
Replies: 13
Views: 1398

Re: WW1 HMS Inflexible vs WW2 KMS Prinz Eugen

I'd see Inflexible getting peppered with shell hits, disabled, silenced and sunk by torpedoes. Essentially Prinz Eugen was Dogger Bank Blucher on steroids! Quite possibly. Given the events at Jutland could the Prinz have the weight of shell impact to cause a major detonation within the shell handli...
by RF
Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:10 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: WW1 HMS Inflexible vs WW2 KMS Prinz Eugen
Replies: 13
Views: 1398

Re: WW1 HMS Inflexible vs WW2 KMS Prinz Eugen

There is however a difference between a WW1 battleship and battlecruiser - namely the amount of armoured protection and the heavier 15 inch guns compared with 12 inch.
Lutjens was sticking strictly to fleet orders, this scenario was intended to be free from such impediment.
by RF
Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:36 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: WW1 HMS Inflexible vs WW2 KMS Prinz Eugen
Replies: 13
Views: 1398

WW1 HMS Inflexible vs WW2 KMS Prinz Eugen

This section of the forum has been quiet for a while so how about considering a confrontation between a WW1 battlecruiser and a WW2 heavy cruiser?

Shades of the Falklands 1914 battle here?

Would the result be the same - or would the more modern ship win through?
by RF
Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:35 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?
Replies: 179
Views: 6270

Re: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?

@ RF, now you are taking it personally vs me and accusing me to personally had intentions to denigrate those Officers just because maybe I do not like them ? I am not taking it personally. I have no personal stake in this. I have an open view on the actions of Tovey and Wake-Walker, I do not judge ...
by RF
Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:25 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?
Replies: 179
Views: 6270

Re: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?

@ RF, I evaluated those Officers conduct only to sustain the evidence I was demonstrating. What exactly is this supposed to mean? You have avoided answering my question directly - namely your motivation in denigrating an officer who is dead and therefore unable to bring you to account by defamation...

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