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by Mostlyharmless
Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:11 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Battleship for Freedonia
Replies: 26
Views: 6249

Re: Battleship for Freedonia

I have noticed that one can try to combine different nation's technologies. If we believe both the German's claims of penetration of thick armour at moderate obliquity and the Japanese belief that their shells can maintain velocity and direction after falling 30 to 60 metres short of the target, it ...
by Mostlyharmless
Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:44 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Battleship for Freedonia
Replies: 26
Views: 6249

Re: Battleship for Freedonia

Firstly, I must apologise that Freedonia's Navy Ministry has been on holiday during August. On reflection, this sort of inefficiency is probably why Freedonia is not normally listed amongst the Great Powers. Sadly, there is still little clarity on the strategic role for which our battleships are to ...
by Mostlyharmless
Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:23 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Battleship for Freedonia
Replies: 26
Views: 6249

Re: Battleship for Freedonia

I agree that bombs seem a serious threat to the German armour scheme. After the attack on Scharnhorst, the H39 design was revised to resist bombs resulting in the H41 paper design. This strengthened the scarp from 150 mm to 175 mm and replaced the 120 mm main deck by one of 200 mm. It was also propo...
by Mostlyharmless
Sat Jul 28, 2018 1:09 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Battleship for Freedonia
Replies: 26
Views: 6249

Re: Battleship for Freedonia

The bomb damages inflicted on Tirpitz showed that it was not particularly vulnerable to bombs compared to contemporary designs. Yes and no. The combination of the 50mm weather deck plus two decks worth of spacing to reach the panzerdeck makes penetration to the vitals unlikely. OTOH, given how low ...
by Mostlyharmless
Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:20 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Battleship for Freedonia
Replies: 26
Views: 6249

Re: Battleship for Freedonia

Let us try to choose the best armament for our battleship. I am going to agree with Dave on the secondary armament. The only available alternatives are USN's 5"/38 or the RN's 5.25". We will select the 5.25" as it will be better for dealing with destroyers or aircraft dropping Fritz-X bombs. However...
by Mostlyharmless
Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:55 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Battleship for Freedonia
Replies: 26
Views: 6249

Re: Battleship for Freedonia

Bombs represent an intractable problem because they can strike at or near the normal. Perhaps Freedonia's fortune tellers will discover that even the Musashi's horizontal protection will fail against bombs. The bomb damages inflicted on Tirpitz showed that it was not particularly vulnerable to bomb...
by Mostlyharmless
Sun Jul 08, 2018 12:36 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Battleship for Freedonia
Replies: 26
Views: 6249

Re: Battleship for Freedonia

I feel that I must pause on watching football to give a few more details of Freedonia's position. As most of you know, Freedonia is positioned in the Indian Ocean and is descended from the kingdom of Queen Ranavalona https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranavalona_I, who was instrumental in creating a navy...
by Mostlyharmless
Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:44 pm
Forum: Naval Technology
Topic: Hitting the Gun Barrel
Replies: 10
Views: 2954

Re: Hitting the Gun Barrel

It happened to South Dakota, possibly more than once. At Santa Cruz https://www.navsource.org/archives/01/57a.htm has: “The ship received a direct hit from a 500-pound bomb on top of Main Battery Turret # 1. It did not penetrate but deformed two of the three 16-Inch barrels of #2 turret.” At the Sec...
by Mostlyharmless
Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:18 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: What happened?
Replies: 3
Views: 3334

Re: What happened?

paul.mercer wrote:
Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:35 am
...snip...Surely we can come up with some new topics between us?
There seem to be a few posts on battleship design today
by Mostlyharmless
Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:14 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Battleship for Freedonia
Replies: 26
Views: 6249

Battleship for Freedonia

It is around 1936 and I have been appointed as Navy Minister by Freedonia. We are planning to build a battleship or class of battleships. As Freedonia has reasonably good relations with all the World's major naval powers, we are able to use technology from any country. We even have a few engineers w...
by Mostlyharmless
Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:09 pm
Forum: Naval Technology
Topic: Convergence of unbuilt battleships
Replies: 0
Views: 3205

Convergence of unbuilt battleships

The H39 Battleships would have had a main armoured deck, MAD, of 120 mm over the magazines under an 80 mm armoured weather deck. They would have had a 100 mm MAD over the machinery under a 50 mm weather deck. Thus they are a natural evolution from Bismarck, following a similar philosophy. On the oth...
by Mostlyharmless
Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:04 pm
Forum: Naval Technology
Topic: The Structural role of Main Armour Decks
Replies: 2
Views: 1621

The Structural role of Main Armour Decks

Battleships were constructed as a girder of the keel, normally a double bottom, and the main armour deck (MAD). However, different navies constructed the MAD differently. The USN made their MADs as laminates. Thus, Iowa has a 4.75" upper layer on a 1.25" lower layer of homogeneous armour. Friedman's...
by Mostlyharmless
Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:22 pm
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: The range at which actions were fought
Replies: 1
Views: 1669

The range at which actions were fought

The designers of the last generation of battleships started with various expectations on the range at which their designs would exchange shells with other battleships, which was the reason why battleships were built rather than cruiser killers such as Scharnhorst or Alaska. I decided to survey what ...
by Mostlyharmless
Thu Sep 21, 2017 6:06 pm
Forum: Off Topic
Topic: Political correctness gone mad?
Replies: 134
Views: 16066

Re: Political correctness gone mad?

Some way back in the thread I mentioned that politicians do not always act exactly as if they regarded climate change as a priority. Here are some good but now old quotations that I found at http://www.inference.org.uk/sustainable/book/tex/sewtha.pdf on page 222 from Tony Blair. Speaking on climate ...
by Mostlyharmless
Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:16 am
Forum: Off Topic
Topic: Political correctness gone mad?
Replies: 134
Views: 16066

Re: Political correctness gone mad?

...snip... Regarding sea level rise, we have not seen an acceleration in rate of sea level rise. It is still rising the same 1-3 mm per year that it has been for centuries. Yes, that is millimeters, not centimeters, and certainly not meters. The 5 metre figure was obviously taken from someone's mod...