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by Dave Saxton
Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:10 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Vanguard and Bismarck
Replies: 43
Views: 3204

Re: Vanguard and Bismarck

I have always liked the Vanguard. The old 15" twins were good weapons and the Vanguard included many improvements based on war experience with the KGVs. Vanguard was also the first British warship built using extensive electric arc welding.
by Dave Saxton
Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:00 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Vanguard and Bismarck
Replies: 43
Views: 3204

Re: Vanguard and Bismarck

Could You give data from live tests? I have boxes and boxes of documents. Unfortunately, because of my present circumstances they are in storage and they are not handy. Nonetheless, if I recall correctly the British study that found that no British battleship gun could defeat more than about 5-inch...
by Dave Saxton
Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:50 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Vanguard and Bismarck
Replies: 43
Views: 3204

Re: Vanguard and Bismarck

I have problems in understanding british armour efficiency diagrams especially the vertical protection. obviously they greatly understate the armour penetration performance of all guns versus vertical armour.... The AoN armour schemes adopted by most are only viable if the penetration power of guns...
by Dave Saxton
Sun Oct 08, 2017 1:41 am
Forum: Off Topic
Topic: Political correctness gone mad?
Replies: 128
Views: 930

Re: Political correctness gone mad?

It is humorous to see the high clergy of the orthodox AGW religion upset and whining that they do not control the dissemination of information, or the narrative, on the subject. It is analogous to the religious high clergy defending religious orthodoxy at the time of the Reformation and the Enlighte...
by Dave Saxton
Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:20 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Prince Eugane v AGS
Replies: 38
Views: 545

Re: Prince Eugane v AGS

The undoing of the lone warship raider concept was the rise of naval air power during the war. This occurred post 1940. However, in the 1930's naval air power (as well as submarines) remained unproven.
by Dave Saxton
Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:03 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?
Replies: 324
Views: 3174

Re: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?

To all, It is important when evaluating evidence to try to remain as dispassionate about it as possible. Open minded debate from different perspectives is healthy and it avoids problems of confirmation bias. BTW, nobody here has offended me or need apologize to me. If I have offended anybody, I cert...
by Dave Saxton
Fri Sep 29, 2017 4:32 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?
Replies: 324
Views: 3174

Re: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?

For the record, my comments about errors and perhaps occasional disinformation in historical evidence was just about being aware of the possibility and the need to take such into consideration. I meant it to be in a general context, and not specifically about this issue. I don't have an opinion abou...
by Dave Saxton
Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:33 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?
Replies: 324
Views: 3174

Re: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?

For Dave: Top Secret reports you expect to fall into the hands of the enemy are not top secret. Reporting misinformation to your superiors without them knowing that it is incorrect, would be a recipe for disaster. How about starting a new thread on it? Kick off with the water supply problem on Midw...
by Dave Saxton
Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:20 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?
Replies: 324
Views: 3174

Re: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?

They wrote in the action reports that the mines were magnetic or acoustic when they knew they were not. Call it what you like. This is extracted from page 1 and 10 of the War Diary of Commander, U.S. Ports and Bases, France . 9 AUG 1944 SECRET From:; Commander, U.S. Ports and Bases, France. To : Co...
by Dave Saxton
Wed Sep 27, 2017 2:04 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?
Replies: 324
Views: 3174

Re: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?

They wrote in the action reports that the mines were magnetic or acoustic when they knew they were not. Call it what you like.
by Dave Saxton
Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:19 pm
Forum: Off Topic
Topic: Africa's Great Green Wall
Replies: 2
Views: 40

Re: Africa's Great Green Wall

More greening, shrinking deserts, and more rapid reforestation are among the many positive benefits of greater co2 concentration. (not that we have any control of co2 concentration) https://phys.org/news/2013-07-greening-co2.html https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/02/16/study-increased-carbon-dioxide-...
by Dave Saxton
Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:07 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?
Replies: 324
Views: 3174

Re: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?

Can you give some concrete examples of falsified reports? I did. "There are two examples of disinformation being deliberately written into primary documents and reports I can think of right away. One is the writing into documents and reports that the mines that sank many Allied ships in the ch...
by Dave Saxton
Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:03 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?
Replies: 324
Views: 3174

Re: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?

.......Where as for others it's due to new evidence between the two inquiries or evidence from new sources or just incorrect or mistaken entries. I agree that the 'fact' is that there are disparities in evidences for a great deal of evidences between the two inquiries and reports, but proving the r...
by Dave Saxton
Sat Sep 16, 2017 6:51 pm
Forum: Naval Technology
Topic: Montana class ships
Replies: 9
Views: 213

Re: Montana class ships

A point about Montana's protection scheme which puzzles me. I have a copy of a document listing official IZ values for US battleships (C-BB/S1-1 of 13 July 1942) against 16 in 2240 lb shells with an MV = 2520 fps. The inner limit for BB 61 (Iowa) is given as 17600 yds and that for BB 67 (Montana) a...
by Dave Saxton
Sat Sep 16, 2017 3:15 pm
Forum: Naval Technology
Topic: Montana class ships
Replies: 9
Views: 213

Re: Montana class ships

Montana_vs_Iowa.jpg Can someone confirm/correct these schemes and provide some comments about their efficiency (e.g at which distance/inclination would Montana have been immune to her own and to Yamato's guns? I don't know what the 17" thick tapered strake is on the Iowa schem but that is not ...

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