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by Dave Saxton
Fri Aug 11, 2017 1:02 am
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: The French fleet
Replies: 13
Views: 253

Re: The French fleet

Paul L wrote:
Personally I would drag all the cruisers to KM ports- remove all the turret/guns to be mounted along the Atlantic Wall, while I converted the cruiser hulls into escort carriers , to make up shortfall in this area.


Goering would never allow that to happen.
by Dave Saxton
Tue Aug 08, 2017 10:51 pm
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: The French fleet
Replies: 13
Views: 253

Re: The French fleet

The Germans did try to seize the remainder of the French fleet on the 27th of Nov 1942 at Toulon. The French admirals did scuttle their fleet including the Dunkerque and the Strasbourg, 7 cruisers, and 17 destroyers.
by Dave Saxton
Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:26 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: May 24 1941 - Tirpitz v Prince of Wales
Replies: 177
Views: 4931

Re: May 24 1941 - Tirpitz v Prince of Wales

A delay certainly makes both German battleships more efficient and and more deadly*, but other things change too. During the period from mid June to Oct, Ultra had the current Enigma keys from capturing the weather ships which allowed the rounding up of the tankers. Not until October did the German ...
by Dave Saxton
Wed Jul 19, 2017 3:24 pm
Forum: World War II
Topic: Kammhuber's meeting with Hitler
Replies: 0
Views: 45

Kammhuber's meeting with Hitler

In May 1943, General Kammhuber, the commander of German night fighters, and Germany's radar air warning and tracking systems, presented a paper to Goering that predicted how American aircraft production would influence the course of the war. Kammhuber was particularly concerned that American strateg...
by Dave Saxton
Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:56 pm
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: The Heinkel HE177
Replies: 16
Views: 430

Re: The Heinkel HE177

I believe Green and Price are in error here. 303 mph is attributed to an A1 prototype, though. Aircraft speed is going to be dependent on aircraft mass and ordnance etc. The engine power figures are difficult since they change with altitude. So speed figures should include altitude mass & load ...
by Dave Saxton
Thu Jul 13, 2017 1:42 pm
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: The Heinkel HE177
Replies: 16
Views: 430

Re: The Heinkel HE177

I believe Green and Price are in error here. 303 mph is attributed to an A1 prototype, though.
by Dave Saxton
Wed Jul 12, 2017 3:05 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Teleportation: H Classe in place of Bismarck
Replies: 21
Views: 293

Re: Teleportation: H Classe in place of Bismarck

@ Alex The shell had to explode against the bulkhead at or near the bottom in order to yield the type of damage it did historically. If it exploded some distance away from the bulkhead it could not have caused the perforations it did nor rip up the double bottom structures, as the splinters would be...
by Dave Saxton
Wed Jul 12, 2017 2:46 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Teleportation: H Classe in place of Bismarck
Replies: 21
Views: 293

Re: Teleportation: H Classe in place of Bismarck

Dave saxton wrote; "No, the belt just extended deeper down and was not tapered. The main armoured deck remained 1 meter above the water line." Hi Dave, thanks again for the info. Therefore, if I understand correctly, compared to Bismarck, the H class would have had a "longer" sl...
by Dave Saxton
Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:36 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Teleportation: H Classe in place of Bismarck
Replies: 21
Views: 293

Re: Teleportation: H Classe in place of Bismarck

Hi Dave, my thinking is thatt, in order to explode against the 45mm bulkhead, the 356mm shell first passed just beneath Bismarck's 170mm lower belt, and approx 20 deg angle, pierced the outher skin of st52, and then exploded somewhere near the bulkhead. In the case of H39, there is a strong probabi...
by Dave Saxton
Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:27 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Teleportation: H Classe in place of Bismarck
Replies: 21
Views: 293

Re: Teleportation: H Classe in place of Bismarck

Dave Saxton wrote: "....the belt belt extended farther below the waterline on the H class than it did on the Bismarcks and the Scharnhorsts. " Hi Dave, thanks. Does this means that the belt would have extended below the slope or just that the slope and the deck were placed lower in the hu...
by Dave Saxton
Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:50 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Teleportation: H Classe in place of Bismarck
Replies: 21
Views: 293

Re: Teleportation: H Classe in place of Bismarck

Yes, the belt belt extended farther below the waterline on the H class than it did on the Bismarcks and the Scharnhorsts. However, the historical hit was very deep. It was deep enough that it ripped up double bottom compartments. Hits that far down would likely still pass below the belt. Hits that d...
by Dave Saxton
Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:16 pm
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: The Heinkel HE177
Replies: 16
Views: 430

Re: The Heinkel HE177

, but the main Luftwaffe role was to help the army capture territory, not engage in long range bomber war. Strategic bombing was to be used on those who couldn't strike back eg Warsaw, Rotterdam etc because they didn't have a bomber force. From 1939 essentially the role of the Luftwaffe was one of ...
by Dave Saxton
Tue Jul 11, 2017 2:15 pm
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: The Heinkel HE177
Replies: 16
Views: 430

Re: The Heinkel HE177

Hi all, I apologize for my absence. I have been very busy of late. Authoritative sources, including Groehler, list the HE-177A-5 as having a level flight top speed of 351-355 mph (mph not knots, the error was mine as I'm used to using knots in modern aviation). A 303 mph figure is correct for some o...
by Dave Saxton
Sat Jul 01, 2017 3:57 pm
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: The Heinkel HE177
Replies: 16
Views: 430

The Heinkel HE177

The HE177 was a four engine bomber that had a long agonizing development beginning in 1938 and ultimately failed to become the operational weapon, that the Germans were counting on it to be. Its failed development meant that the Luftwaffe never had the strategic bomber it needed to successfully pros...
by Dave Saxton
Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:26 pm
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: Naval Battle of Guadalcanal
Replies: 9
Views: 708

Re: Naval Battle of Guadalcanal

Lee comment: ...our battleships are neither designed nor armed for close range night actions with enemy light forces. A few minutes intense fire, at short range, from secondary battery guns, can and did, render one of our battleships deaf, dumb, blind, and impotent, through destruction of radar, ra...

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