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by Dave Saxton
Mon Dec 11, 2017 7:08 pm
Forum: Naval Technology
Topic: Alaska Class: Battlecruise or Large Cruiser Semi-debate
Replies: 19
Views: 813

Re: Alaska Class: Battlecruise or Large Cruiser Semi-debate

Dave, As ever I bow to your much greater knowledge on guns and armour, but with the greatest respect, to say that Scharnhorst's armour was capable of standing up to battleship caliber fire is possibly open to debate. I realise that neither the twins had a chance to prove themselves against real opp...
by Dave Saxton
Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:13 am
Forum: Naval Technology
Topic: Alaska Class: Battlecruise or Large Cruiser Semi-debate
Replies: 19
Views: 813

Re: Alaska Class: Battlecruise or Large Cruiser Semi-debate

Gentlemen, ........., one has to only recall the number of times the twins retreated rather than take on even an elderly RN battleship. Perhaps they might be called battlecruisers, but maybe they should be just classed as 'Light battleships' due to the size of their guns and armour. ......... This ...
by Dave Saxton
Sun Nov 26, 2017 7:58 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: A 15" gunned Scharnhorst at North Cape
Replies: 31
Views: 590

Re: A 15" gunned Scharnhorst at North Cape

My position on more U-boats available early war, is that the technology was not there yet, early enough, for more U-boats to be as effective as is assumed. I'm using hindsight, but could greater numbers of boats early war, force Britain out of the war before the avalanche of counter measures began t...
by Dave Saxton
Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:08 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: A 15" gunned Scharnhorst at North Cape
Replies: 31
Views: 590

Re: 15" gunned Scharnhorst at North Cape

Anyhooo ... This thread was about larger guns on a ship overrun in the dark night off North Cape in late 1943. And my input on that particular matter was a simple question: what would happen if Scharnhorst comes back empty handed? Last nail in the coffin that is large surface ships operations or wi...
by Dave Saxton
Fri Nov 24, 2017 4:29 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: A 15" gunned Scharnhorst at North Cape
Replies: 31
Views: 590

Re: 15" gunned Scharnhorst at North Cape

G Indeed, the Dunkerque class had the Germans veering back towards traditional designs, succumbing to what Richard Worth would refer to as a Mahanian sort of mindset. Me thinks rather than looking at what the Deutchland class may accomplish in the war years, let's keep in mind what will be risked b...
by Dave Saxton
Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:47 pm
Forum: Naval Technology
Topic: Alaska Class: Battlecruise or Large Cruiser Semi-debate
Replies: 19
Views: 813

Re: Alaska Class: Battlecruise or Large Cruiser Semi-debate

In other threads it has been suggested that the Germans should have built more, but improved, panzerschiffs. Is the Alaska, or similar, that ship? The Alaska addresses some of the main flaws of the pocket battleships. It was fast; 33 knots. It had protection against 8-inch fire. It had good AA firep...
by Dave Saxton
Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:13 am
Forum: Naval Technology
Topic: Alaska Class: Battlecruise or Large Cruiser Semi-debate
Replies: 19
Views: 813

Re: Alaska Class: Battlecruise or Large Cruiser Semi-debate

Scharnhorst's belt was indeed thicker than Iowa's (and of higher material quality). However, who said the armour scheme was outdated? German documents make it clear that their WWII era protection scheme was designed to address modern threats, such as plunging fire and bombs, while at the same time p...
by Dave Saxton
Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:30 pm
Forum: Naval Technology
Topic: Alaska Class: Battlecruise or Large Cruiser Semi-debate
Replies: 19
Views: 813

Re: Alaska Class: Battlecruise or Large Cruiser Semi-debate

Warning: The following is merely the opinion of one person on the internet. These opinions are under the influence of perceived logic and personal bias. Your opinions may and probably will differ........... There is a lot to digest in that post. I agree with many of your points, but I ultimately di...
by Dave Saxton
Thu Nov 16, 2017 4:42 pm
Forum: Off Topic
Topic: Flat Earth International Convention 2017
Replies: 2
Views: 50

Re: Flat Earth International Convention 2017

Catastrophic AGW will eventually go the way of eugenics and Lysenkoism. Nonetheless, even now AGW advocates are beginning to hedge their bets. (see the Millar et al paper in Nature Geoscience Aug this year) Millar, Grub...et al are lead authors on previous IPCC reports, and previous advocates of CAG...
by Dave Saxton
Thu Nov 16, 2017 2:23 am
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: Naval Battle of Guadalcanal
Replies: 10
Views: 891

Re: Naval Battle of Guadalcanal

It is the 75th anniversary now.
by Dave Saxton
Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:17 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: A 15" gunned Scharnhorst at North Cape
Replies: 31
Views: 590

Re: A 15" gunned Scharnhorst at North Cape

But they better be 30+ knot panzerschiffs.
by Dave Saxton
Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:53 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: A 15" gunned Scharnhorst at North Cape
Replies: 31
Views: 590

Re: A 15" gunned Scharnhorst at North Cape

Johannesson's destroyers were able keep company with the Scharnhorst steaming at 25 knots through the night of the 25th in the same weather. However, if Scharnhorst goes directly into the wind and seas the German destroyers won't be able to keep up. Bey allowing the loss of cohesion with his force e...
by Dave Saxton
Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:14 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: A 15" gunned Scharnhorst at North Cape
Replies: 31
Views: 590

Re: A 15" gunned Scharnhorst at North Cape

If we replace all of Scharnhorst's historical 11in hits with 15in hits, then nothing changes. Additionally the proposed mods to fit 38cm guns to S&G would have increased their displacement, making them slower and probably worsening their already poor seakeeping qualities. There were heavy hits ...
by Dave Saxton
Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:26 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: A 15" gunned Scharnhorst at North Cape
Replies: 31
Views: 590

Re: A 15" gunned Scharnhorst at North Cape

The problem with applying a Scharnhorst with 15" guns and intact radars to the historical North Cape is that Scharnhorst was equipped with the same radar that Prinz Eugen detected and tracked destroyers to ranges exceeding 33 km with in 1944. This would mean that the battleship to battleship ra...
by Dave Saxton
Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:59 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: A 15" gunned Scharnhorst at North Cape
Replies: 31
Views: 590

Re: A 15" gunned Scharnhorst at North Cape

It was not the qualities of Scharnhorst’s radar equipment or the caliber of its artillery that caused its loss. It was rather how those equipment was used. If Bey, Peters, and Roth make the same tactical errors as they did historically, then the result will likely be the same. Nevertheless, if Schar...

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