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by Dave Saxton
Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:49 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The KGV and Adm fuel signals on May 26 and 27.
Replies: 61
Views: 530

Re: The KGV and Adm fuel signals on May 26 and 27.

Addressing the high command's sending a plethora of messages: London was always transmitting anyway and its location is of course known. If you believe your cyphers to be secure, then the risk involved with sending messages from there are minimized. Of course, interfering with on scene command and a...
by Dave Saxton
Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:44 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The KGV and Adm fuel signals on May 26 and 27.
Replies: 61
Views: 530

Re: The KGV and Adm fuel signals on May 26 and 27.

2) What is your opinion of Adm Tovey not responding to any message from the Admiralty thru that night ( 26th/27th ) and the morning after ( 27th ), ... while the Admiralty War Room members ( Pound, Phillips, Power ) were keep on sending " suggested direction " messages on what to do to hi...
by Dave Saxton
Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:48 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The loss of contact (May 24 / 25)
Replies: 23
Views: 310

Re: The loss of contact (May 24 / 25)

Re: Sleep - One can and must appreciate the serious effect of sleep deprivation on all the officers involved. Grenfell spends a couple of paragraphs discussing this. Decision-making could very easily have been affected - and I do suspect it was. Apparently both WW and Phillips were given benzedrine...
by Dave Saxton
Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:32 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The loss of contact (May 24 / 25)
Replies: 23
Views: 310

Re: The loss of contact (May 24 / 25)

With visibility dropping to 6 miles, either Norfolk and/or POW deployed opposite of Suffolk is of little value in hemming in the Bismarck. Bismarck likely slips by unnoticed anyway. When the Scheer passed back through the Denmark Strait in March 1941, it followed closely in the wake of a radar-less ...
by Dave Saxton
Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:54 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The loss of contact (May 24 / 25)
Replies: 23
Views: 310

Re: The loss of contact (May 24 / 25)

I don't think the night of 23/24 is analogous to the night of 24/25. In the first, in the confines (albeit wide confines) of the strait, the intentions of the enemy and where they were going, were known with a high degree of certainty. In the open Atlantic anything could happen. With visibility dimi...
by Dave Saxton
Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:45 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The loss of contact (May 24 / 25)
Replies: 23
Views: 310

Re: The loss of contact (May 24 / 25)

W-W had to keep Norfolk and POW relatively close behind Suffolk, or risk losing cohesion of his force amid rather dynamic visibility conditions. Ellis reports that visibility following dusk was about 12,000 yards. Norfolk's Type 286 had a max range of about 11,000 yards and could only see ahead. Ell...
by Dave Saxton
Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:28 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: "Naval History" Magazine, December 2017
Replies: 9
Views: 173

Re: "Naval History" Magazine, December 2017

Season's Greetings everyone :) I see that Robert J. "Bob" Winklareth, a former prolific contributor to this site, has an article entitled "The Not-So-Mighty Bismarck" in the above publication. Has anyone else seen it and what do people think of his thesis that "The German b...
by Dave Saxton
Mon Dec 25, 2017 7:51 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: SEASON'S GREETINGS!
Replies: 9
Views: 148

Re: SEASON'S GREETINGS!

I echo Duncan's and other's sentiments. Merry Christmas!
by Dave Saxton
Mon Dec 11, 2017 7:08 pm
Forum: Naval Technology
Topic: Alaska Class: Battlecruise or Large Cruiser Semi-debate
Replies: 19
Views: 1013

Re: Alaska Class: Battlecruise or Large Cruiser Semi-debate

Dave, As ever I bow to your much greater knowledge on guns and armour, but with the greatest respect, to say that Scharnhorst's armour was capable of standing up to battleship caliber fire is possibly open to debate. I realise that neither the twins had a chance to prove themselves against real opp...
by Dave Saxton
Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:13 am
Forum: Naval Technology
Topic: Alaska Class: Battlecruise or Large Cruiser Semi-debate
Replies: 19
Views: 1013

Re: Alaska Class: Battlecruise or Large Cruiser Semi-debate

Gentlemen, ........., one has to only recall the number of times the twins retreated rather than take on even an elderly RN battleship. Perhaps they might be called battlecruisers, but maybe they should be just classed as 'Light battleships' due to the size of their guns and armour. ......... This ...
by Dave Saxton
Sun Nov 26, 2017 7:58 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: A 15" gunned Scharnhorst at North Cape
Replies: 31
Views: 732

Re: A 15" gunned Scharnhorst at North Cape

My position on more U-boats available early war, is that the technology was not there yet, early enough, for more U-boats to be as effective as is assumed. I'm using hindsight, but could greater numbers of boats early war, force Britain out of the war before the avalanche of counter measures began t...
by Dave Saxton
Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:08 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: A 15" gunned Scharnhorst at North Cape
Replies: 31
Views: 732

Re: 15" gunned Scharnhorst at North Cape

Anyhooo ... This thread was about larger guns on a ship overrun in the dark night off North Cape in late 1943. And my input on that particular matter was a simple question: what would happen if Scharnhorst comes back empty handed? Last nail in the coffin that is large surface ships operations or wi...
by Dave Saxton
Fri Nov 24, 2017 4:29 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: A 15" gunned Scharnhorst at North Cape
Replies: 31
Views: 732

Re: 15" gunned Scharnhorst at North Cape

G Indeed, the Dunkerque class had the Germans veering back towards traditional designs, succumbing to what Richard Worth would refer to as a Mahanian sort of mindset. Me thinks rather than looking at what the Deutchland class may accomplish in the war years, let's keep in mind what will be risked b...
by Dave Saxton
Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:47 pm
Forum: Naval Technology
Topic: Alaska Class: Battlecruise or Large Cruiser Semi-debate
Replies: 19
Views: 1013

Re: Alaska Class: Battlecruise or Large Cruiser Semi-debate

In other threads it has been suggested that the Germans should have built more, but improved, panzerschiffs. Is the Alaska, or similar, that ship? The Alaska addresses some of the main flaws of the pocket battleships. It was fast; 33 knots. It had protection against 8-inch fire. It had good AA firep...
by Dave Saxton
Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:13 am
Forum: Naval Technology
Topic: Alaska Class: Battlecruise or Large Cruiser Semi-debate
Replies: 19
Views: 1013

Re: Alaska Class: Battlecruise or Large Cruiser Semi-debate

Scharnhorst's belt was indeed thicker than Iowa's (and of higher material quality). However, who said the armour scheme was outdated? German documents make it clear that their WWII era protection scheme was designed to address modern threats, such as plunging fire and bombs, while at the same time p...

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