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by alecsandros
Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:15 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: PoW readiness for active service
Replies: 74
Views: 1174

Re: PoW readiness for active service

Herr Nilsson wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:12 pm
What context?
Of Adm. Schniewind's position statement correlated with Bismarck survivor reports describing , or indicating, the state of preparedness (training) of the crew.
by alecsandros
Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:14 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: PoW readiness for active service
Replies: 74
Views: 1174

Re: PoW readiness for active service

Wadinga, As always, an informed discussion is based on question - answer, and then another question. You did not address the answers I have provided, specifically the warlog entries containing days of sub-calibre and reduced charge firing (4 days during AVKS, 1 or more days during initial breaking i...
by alecsandros
Wed Apr 24, 2019 11:53 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: PoW readiness for active service
Replies: 74
Views: 1174

Re: PoW readiness for active service

any? After all, Hood v the French fleet in harbour was basically a'Turkey Shoot Hood chased Strasbourg and fired in a stern chase. Actual firing against harbour-targets, while the enemy was returning fire, and is trying to torpedo you with submarines, is anyway far different from trials shoots (whe...
by alecsandros
Wed Apr 24, 2019 11:39 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: PoW readiness for active service
Replies: 74
Views: 1174

Re: PoW readiness for active service

In peace time the Kriegsmarine ships usually had cycles of two years. The first year was an "Ausbildungsjahr" (training year) and the second year was called "Manöverjahr" (military exercise year). A full scale battle inspection in peace time was made during the Manöverjahr. So actually Lindemann sa...
by alecsandros
Wed Apr 24, 2019 11:28 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: PoW readiness for active service
Replies: 74
Views: 1174

Re: PoW readiness for active service

Herr Nilsson wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2019 11:10 am

No, caliber shooting not sub-caliber.
My bad.

The English-translated warlog writes calibre shooting with reduced charge.
by alecsandros
Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:41 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: PoW readiness for active service
Replies: 74
Views: 1174

Re: PoW readiness for active service

Caliber shooting of the heavy and intermediate artilleries two times daily. That does not come from AVKS report, but from ship reconstructed warlog, for the interval of Apr 16th-30th (outside AVKS interval). They are listed as sub-calibre firings, and do not appear in the day by day entries in the ...
by alecsandros
Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:37 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: PoW readiness for active service
Replies: 74
Views: 1174

Re: PoW readiness for active service

One could make amends for one's previous redactions if these details were provided. Now. All the best wadinga Wadinga, AVKS copy available on Kbismarck.com archives (free) has the following: page 9: tests at sea: start 19.03; intended end: 11.04. Actual end: 02.04 What you are mentioning is the tim...
by alecsandros
Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:14 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: PoW readiness for active service
Replies: 74
Views: 1174

Re: PoW readiness for active service

Gentlemen, Re 'Combat experience, would it be fair to say that at this stage of the war very few 'heavy' ships on either side had actual combat experience? My impression is that there were plenty of experienced crews on both sides (see Hood, Ark Royal, Renown, Warspite, Gneisenau, Scharnhorst, Hipp...
by alecsandros
Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:24 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: PoW readiness for active service
Replies: 74
Views: 1174

Re: PoW readiness for active service

Whereas the Baltic was a safe haven for Bismarck to carry out her extensive gunnery practice, with the AVKS boffins on board for eight weeks, inspecting what was obviously a functioning system, PoW only ventured out into U-boat or aircraft attack prone, potentially mined waters outside the Flow on ...
by alecsandros
Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:11 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: PoW readiness for active service
Replies: 74
Views: 1174

Re: PoW readiness for active service

@Alberto I suppose the Moderator is attempting to ponder the effects of the distribution of the report for the entire forum to see, weighed by the informal agreement that you and Duncan have discussed to in private. My opinion is that it was wrong of Duncan to have re-distributed it, on basis of you...
by alecsandros
Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:59 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: PoW readiness for active service
Replies: 74
Views: 1174

Re: PoW readiness for active service

@Paul.mercer You're right, but don't forget that the KGVs had active careers and, overall (all five of them) totalled many thousands of miles of ocean travelled, and many thousands of main artillery rounds expended in combat and in training. Therefore we have more knowledge about their 'behavior' th...
by alecsandros
Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:34 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: PoW readiness for active service
Replies: 74
Views: 1174

Re: PoW readiness for active service

Except, of course, those bits of the ship which hadn't even been installed yet. 3 months is more then 2 days, I see you are still not able to make easy comparisons. If the term "atmosphere" means a healthy obsession with reality, it's got even better since we have an expert Moderator now. (Commenta...
by alecsandros
Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:27 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: PoW readiness for active service
Replies: 74
Views: 1174

Re: PoW readiness for active service

I see the atmosphere of the forum hasn't changed a bit... What I was mentioning above was that war conditions forced even greener ships and crews into combat... Two days on board a carrier is nothing. By comparison, at least (most of) Prince of Wales' crew got on board between mid-January and mid-Ma...
by alecsandros
Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:57 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: PoW readiness for active service
Replies: 74
Views: 1174

Re: PoW readiness for active service

The weather when Victorious was operating was appalling and experienced aircrew might have suffered similar casualties. That is unknowable. What is known is that her airgroup emabarked on May20th (two days before steaming out of Scapa), therefore it had no time to train on board the carrier. It is ...
by alecsandros
Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:54 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: PoW readiness for active service
Replies: 74
Views: 1174

Re: PoW readiness for active service

@Wadinga I was thinking about commissioning dates - HMS Prince of Wales was commissioned on Jan 19th 1941, while HMS Victorious was commissioned on March 29th 1941. https://www.naval-history.net/xGM-Chrono-04CV-Victorious.htm "March 29th Commissioned for service in Home Fleet after work-up. April Co...