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by alecsandros
Thu May 31, 2018 6:53 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck analysis
Replies: 23
Views: 3855

Re: Bismarck analysis

Given the storm, and ranges of the observations, no definitive answer can be given. Also to be considered is that in the early phase of the battle, KGV was behind Rodney, and her observations were further hindered by Rodney's funnel smoke and main battery gun smoke. Armor piercing hits are very diff...
by alecsandros
Wed May 30, 2018 5:36 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck analysis
Replies: 23
Views: 3855

Re: Bismarck analysis

As a matter of fact, KGV was the first one to obtain a hit (ca. 5 minutes after opening). It is another myth that the first hit was the Anton/Bruno silencer by Rodney. If memory serves correctly, KGV obtained a hit at the base of the forward superstructure first. German reports mention that the fir...
by alecsandros
Mon May 28, 2018 8:40 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck analysis
Replies: 23
Views: 3855

Re: Bismarck analysis

1) If Bismarck is buried up to her waterline how can they tell if she was scuttled -other than German reports They can't - at best an informed guesstimate. and (2 Was Rodney firing full 9 gun broadsides when she was a almost point blank range? [/quote] For most of the battle I know Rodney fired 4 a...
by alecsandros
Mon May 28, 2018 6:26 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck analysis
Replies: 23
Views: 3855

Re: Bismarck analysis

Except that the first confirmed hits by German survivors (including von Mullencheim) are at 8:58 or 9:02, and they coincide with the observed first hit (or hits) from HMS Rodney. Survivor accounts are not definitive, but there's no way that they could distinguish between 14in and 16in hits, and KGV...
by alecsandros
Sun May 27, 2018 8:02 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck analysis
Replies: 23
Views: 3855

Re: Bismarck analysis

Except that the first confirmed hits by German survivors (including von Mullencheim) are at 8:58 or 9:02, and they coincide with the observed first hit (or hits) from HMS Rodney.
by alecsandros
Sun May 27, 2018 4:38 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck analysis
Replies: 23
Views: 3855

Re: Bismarck analysis

Hello Alberto, Hope you're doing well. I also think that the combination of 320mm belt + 110mm scarp + 45mm TDS was not penetrable by contemporary naval guns. In terms of accuracy, Rodney was in the lead of the British formation, and her muzzle fire produced smoke that hindered observations on the s...
by alecsandros
Sat May 26, 2018 9:23 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck analysis
Replies: 23
Views: 3855

Re: Bismarck analysis

When these gentlemen, along with Bill Jurens (who I believe had a hand in the 1994 version) publish their new book in December, this revised version will replace the article as the definitive information. Thanks for clarifying it. In the past decade, a large amount of information pertaining German ...
by alecsandros
Sat May 26, 2018 5:33 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck analysis
Replies: 23
Views: 3855

Re: Bismarck analysis

... What analysis would that be , Paul ? Because it is a few decades old in terms of knowledge on the subject matter... Bismarck's armor array was optimized for the 20 to 30km band battle range, with the turrets and outer citadel being vulnerable to enemy fire , while the command positions and inter...
by alecsandros
Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:41 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?
Replies: 179
Views: 16656

Re: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?

Alberto Virtuani wrote:
Best wishes !
Best Wishes to you as well , Alberto , Cag, Antonio,
and to everybody else as well,
by alecsandros
Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:18 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?
Replies: 179
Views: 16656

Re: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?

@Herr Nilson "No we don't and that's not the way to convince someone. " To convince someone of anything, that one must first be opened to reason, have the virtue of fairness, and be realistically willing to learn. Antonio worked for some years now to provide a very clear red line through a dark and ...
by alecsandros
Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:51 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Prince Eugane v AGS
Replies: 52
Views: 6345

Re: Prince Eugane v AGS

..... was the armour on AGS that heavy as to enable her to absorb multiple hits from 8"? Rasenack thought not in his comments on the two eight inch hits from Exeter. 80mm declined at 20deg is not enough to resist 8" impact. AGS wasn't designed to resist 8inch gunfire, but to destroy 8" cruisers bef...
by alecsandros
Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:24 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Prince Eugane v AGS
Replies: 52
Views: 6345

Re: Prince Eugane v AGS

Thanks for that, One other point, in a 'stern chase' AGS whilst having the initial capability to outrange the cruisers, surely the cruisers would not be steering a straight course but instead would be weaving about to avoid being hit making the AGS rangefinding more difficult, especially as she wou...
by alecsandros
Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:17 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Prince Eugane v AGS
Replies: 52
Views: 6345

Re: Prince Eugane v AGS

not sure that advantage would be enough. using plate as reference 8" guns got hit every 67 shells , while 11"C28 got a hit every 45 shells. Every minute the British could fire 16 x 4 =64 /67 or 95.5% hit, while the AGS could fire only 6 x 3 = 18/45 or 40% chance of hit. Now weight of fire is closer...
by alecsandros
Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:40 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Prince Eugane v AGS
Replies: 52
Views: 6345

Re: Prince Eugane v AGS

How about 2 8x8" cruisers like Norfolk and Suffolk working together, would they be enough to subdue one of them? In many situations, yes, but I wouldn't risk saying in the majority of happenings. The weather would play the key role, and AGS would have the upper hand in good weather and visibility (...
by alecsandros
Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:00 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Vanguard and Bismarck
Replies: 81
Views: 11370

Re: Vanguard and Bismarck

Maciej, Tirpitz's belt was 33mm thinner then Vanguard's, but behind it was the armored scarp , 110 to 120mm thick (which Vanguard didn't have), and the 45mm Whotan torp bulkhead (which was comparable with Vanguard's internal armored bulkheads in way of the main magazines). So you have that 110 to 12...