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by Bill Jurens
Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:52 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck firing procedures at DS
Replies: 968
Views: 51961

Re: Bismarck firing procedures at DS

The record regarding the firing at Denmark Strait are so incomplete rendering ranges and bearings at any particular time, especially later in the action after Prince of Wales had turned away, that meaningful analysis is probably impossible. The lack of information on fall-of-shot, etc. essentially p...
by Bill Jurens
Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:42 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck firing procedures at DS
Replies: 968
Views: 51961

Re: Bismarck firing procedures at DS

At the risk of being perceived as overly pedantic, it technically IS possible to get a hit without a straddle. Such would occur if the target were hit by a projectile at either end of the pattern. Straddles without hits, are of course, relatively plentiful. That picky correction being made, the prev...
by Bill Jurens
Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:57 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck firing procedures at DS
Replies: 968
Views: 51961

Re: Bismarck firing procedures at DS

The question " which is the battlemap that, up to now, puts in context all evidences in the best possible way ?" really leads us -- probably inadvertently --into a discussion of historical methodology. The question is, in a strict historical sense, somewhat meaningless insofar as there are several v...
by Bill Jurens
Tue Oct 02, 2018 6:11 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck firing procedures at DS
Replies: 968
Views: 51961

Re: Bismarck firing procedures at DS

No. I suspect his mind was clear enough after the fact -- i.e. when writing post-action reports, etc. If not, he wouldn't have retained command-level positions. But is is possible -- perhaps even likely -- that his memory of precisely how things happened during the action was impaired due to his inj...
by Bill Jurens
Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:05 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck firing procedures at DS
Replies: 968
Views: 51961

Re: Bismarck firing procedures at DS

In response to Alexandros' memo of Mon Oct 01, 2018 5:59 pm (we seem to have no numbering scheme to enable posts to be identified more easily): I did not respond in detail basically because I have neither the time nor the energy to engage myself extensively in this discussion. It's easy -- as I have...
by Bill Jurens
Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:21 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck firing procedures at DS
Replies: 968
Views: 51961

Re: Bismarck firing procedures at DS

Alberto also asked: "Having to choose a battlemap among the ones already published, which one would you choose ?" The presupposition here, unstated, is that one map, or one group of maps, is somehow superior to the others. Neglecting the fact that it is more-or-less impossible for anyone to have see...
by Bill Jurens
Mon Oct 01, 2018 6:59 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck firing procedures at DS
Replies: 968
Views: 51961

Re: Bismarck firing procedures at DS

I will elaborate: If you demand a binary "Yes or No" reply in response, the question can be phrased in such a way that either alternative, at least in some way, pushes forward a given presupposition. If I ask a man "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?", a "Yes" answer implies that he at least WA...
by Bill Jurens
Mon Oct 01, 2018 6:13 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck firing procedures at DS
Replies: 968
Views: 51961

Re: Bismarck firing procedures at DS

We would probably make more progress -- less hardly seems possible -- if we would refrain from the insistence on binary, i.e. "Yes or No" responses.

Alberto: "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?"

Yes or no, please...

(see my point...)

Bill Jurens
by Bill Jurens
Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:43 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck firing procedures at DS
Replies: 968
Views: 51961

Re: Bismarck firing procedures at DS

I have inserted my responses to Mr. Bonomi's questions between asterisks below: "since you wrote your comments above, ... just 2 straight questions to you : 1) Do you believe that PoW retreated at 06:13 and the Y turret jammed BEFORE that turn away 160° making smoke ? *** I believe that P.O.W. turne...
by Bill Jurens
Mon Sep 24, 2018 5:59 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck firing procedures at DS
Replies: 968
Views: 51961

Re: Bismarck firing procedures at DS

I will re-enter the fray briefly. I believe that much of this argument stemmed from a recognition that the so-called "Pinchen Plot" of the relative positions of ships was incompatible with normal geometry. This is undoubtedly the case, but I don't think the errors came from any desire to 'cover thin...
by Bill Jurens
Mon Sep 10, 2018 2:47 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck firing procedures at DS
Replies: 968
Views: 51961

Re: Bismarck firing procedures at DS

Regarding the photo discussion, I would approach the greatly enlarged and highly modified images, and their associated interpretations by Mr. Bonomi (and others?), shown in Mr. Bonomi's posts on 09 September, with considerable skepticism. They are screened and highly modified images. The screening p...
by Bill Jurens
Sat Sep 08, 2018 11:20 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck firing procedures at DS
Replies: 968
Views: 51961

Re: Bismarck firing procedures at DS

As anyone who has studied these things to any depth will attest, captions to photographs are notoriously unreliable. I would place only the smallest credence on the original caption to the photograph in question -- which at best could only reflect what the photographer THOUGHT he saw -- and virtuall...
by Bill Jurens
Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:09 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: KGV and PoW GAR during Op. Rheinubung
Replies: 278
Views: 23180

Re: KGV and PoW GAR during Op. Rheinubung

It is often quite difficult to establish the "frame rate" used to film during World War II, as cameras varied from country to country typically driven by spring wound mechanisms which were subject to (sometimes considerable) error. The situation is rendered even more complex when conversion from fil...
by Bill Jurens
Mon Aug 27, 2018 3:24 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: KGV and PoW GAR during Op. Rheinubung
Replies: 278
Views: 23180

Re: KGV and PoW GAR during Op. Rheinubung

For what it is worth, having studied this particular subject for years, I have always felt that POW's gunnery during Denmark Strait was indeed rather poor. In the USN, anybody who fired as many ranging salvos without crossing the target would have been heavily criticized. After getting on for line, ...
by Bill Jurens
Tue Aug 07, 2018 12:55 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 2254
Views: 84685

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

In the interests of attempting to move things forward, one might put forth the hypothesis that the historical reconstruction(s) put forward by Mr. Bonomi -- whom I assume is the generator of the 'cover-up hypothesis, merely supported by Mr. Virtuani -- is not being 'denied' as much as it is being mi...