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by Cag
Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:06 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Conspiracy theorists
Replies: 24
Views: 8507

Re: Conspiracy theorists

Hi All May I say we don't really want to start accusing people of being anything do we? The idea of conspiracy advocates or deniers at all costs gets us no where. Opinion is opinion and everyone is allowed to express that opinion without ridicule. Nor do we really need accusations of trolling, espec...
by Cag
Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:32 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?
Replies: 179
Views: 34882

Re: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?

Hi All Hi Antonio, 1) the 2 boards stated different approximated distances (as did Tovey In his despatch I believe as well as Ellis in his biography), this was the distance before Hood was sunk. Blake intentionally qualified in his findings that the drawings etc may require correction but were suffi...
by Cag
Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:52 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The KGV and Adm fuel signals on May 26 and 27.
Replies: 262
Views: 34348

Re: The KGV and Adm fuel signals on May 26 and 27.

Hi All Hi Antonio, would a weather reference for use of future ops or orders for future ops from Tovey as suggested be an answer. To expunge a signal requires quite a lot of effort, all ships and stations home and abroad would need to be advised to destroy that particular part of a message. In doing...
by Cag
Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:33 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The KGV and Adm fuel signals on May 26 and 27.
Replies: 262
Views: 34348

Re: The KGV and Adm fuel signals on May 26 and 27.

Hi All Hi Antonio, as I posted if you look back I did post a summary, it's there if you look. Again Tovey is specific in his wording of the signal, shores of France and if neccessary to be towed home. It is a single signal, not a cryptic crossword type one and an open and plain one. 1) Is it possibl...
by Cag
Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:12 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?
Replies: 179
Views: 34882

Re: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?

Hi All Hi Antonio, nothing is really disturbing me at all. The one thing I seem to see is the constant attempt to link the shadowing or the morning cruiser distance, or the loss of contact with a completely different CM threat. The file after file of documentary evidence is there, it is how we inter...
by Cag
Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:38 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 2254
Views: 120536

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hi All Hi Wadinga, thanks, I'll try to post the relevant facts, the first bit is about the message and generally repeats what we know. Again to be fair to Alberto he has given, as far as I can tell from my notes, the CM threat wording correct. I would therefore have to agree that this thread is rega...
by Cag
Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:23 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The KGV and Adm fuel signals on May 26 and 27.
Replies: 262
Views: 34348

Re: The KGV and Adm fuel signals on May 26 and 27.

Hi All Hi Antonio, as you know I've signed a form to say I won't break copyright and I intend to uphold that. If you look back you'll find the clear gist of the Pitcairn Jones letter but I'm sure Alberto can send you details. Both PJ and Roskill were sure that Tovey was referencing the 11.37B messag...
by Cag
Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:58 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?
Replies: 179
Views: 34882

Re: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?

Hi All Hi Antonio, the morning action was not mentioned in the CM because the cruisers did what they were supposed to do. I'm afraid just repeating over and over your view until people give up is not proof of fact. Your belief that the alteration was intentional to save WW from an imagined threat is...
by Cag
Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:11 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The KGV and Adm fuel signals on May 26 and 27.
Replies: 262
Views: 34348

Re: The KGV and Adm fuel signals on May 26 and 27.

Hi All Hi Dunmunro thank you, I would have thought it would have been supplied by the Admiralty. Pitcairn Jones does state that the 11.37B is the signal Tovey referenced, the shores of France reference in the view of Pitcairn Jones was specific to the air threat. The difficulty of expunging such a w...
by Cag
Mon Jan 15, 2018 6:24 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The KGV and Adm fuel signals on May 26 and 27.
Replies: 262
Views: 34348

Re: The KGV and Adm fuel signals on May 26 and 27.

Hi All, May I ask how it would be possible to expunge a signal that had been transmitted via the airwaves so that every ship in the fleet, shore station, and even your enemy has picked up? Wouldnt the very nature of the repossessions of all those written signals on every ship and shore station aroun...
by Cag
Mon Jan 15, 2018 6:10 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?
Replies: 179
Views: 34882

Re: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?

Hi All Hi Antonio, the only idea that there was a missed opportunity to engage in the morning action in the view of those experts in the Roskill files was due to there being no attempt to signal the intent that they were to do so, or any attempt to concentrate on the cruisers using the estimated plo...
by Cag
Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:33 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The loss of contact (May 24 / 25)
Replies: 77
Views: 25787

Re: The loss of contact (May 24 / 25)

Hi All Hi Mr Cadogan, I concur with Alberto it is nice to hear from yourself and from Mr Saxon. In his biography Ellis does state there was confusion due to mist, the Madoc etc, and once settled and zig zagging the confusion was lessened (the reason I'm sure you know that Suffolk PoW and Norfolk had...
by Cag
Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:58 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The KGV and Adm fuel signals on May 26 and 27.
Replies: 262
Views: 34348

Re: The KGV and Adm fuel signals on May 26 and 27.

Hi All Hi Wadinga, I'm not sure as I don't have B.S.5 but Roskills handwritten note states the signal was the 11.37B. It only says that is what PJ thinks Tovey is referencing in his notes given to Roskill by PJ. It was only in connection with the air threat that the coast of France is referenced. To...
by Cag
Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:09 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The KGV and Adm fuel signals on May 26 and 27.
Replies: 262
Views: 34348

Re: The KGV and Adm fuel signals on May 26 and 27.

Hi All There are a few pieces of correspondance regarding the towing signal in Roskills papers. He attempts to find the relevant signals and has correspondence with the relevant departments that would hold such records. He receives a letter from Pitcairn-jones in which PJ states that he knows not of...
by Cag
Sun Jan 14, 2018 2:49 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 2254
Views: 120536

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hi All Hi Wadinga, I think Alberto has posted the relevant bit of Toveys letter correctly to be totally fair. The CM affair is mentioned as posted and I think in a later letter but only in so far as Tovey seeing nothing would be gained by mentioning critisism of Tovey Pound or Churchill or of WW. Th...