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by Cag
Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:46 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 2265
Views: 126414

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hi All Hi Wadinga, I'm afraid both when I visited the archives and bought the copy of the Ellis biography I had to sign something to say I would not reproduce them publically ver batim. Hence my paraphrasing of the Ellis biography in the engage or not to engage thread. The 1st part of the Dec 1961 l...
by Cag
Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:27 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The loss of contact (May 24 / 25)
Replies: 77
Views: 26330

Re: The loss of contact (May 24 / 25)

Hi All Hi Alberto, may I ask, is this thread actually to discuss the loss of contact or is it just like the engage or not to engage thread designed to have another crack at Wake-Walker and link it to the morning action etc etc? Forgive my question and my scepticism but every thread started on here s...
by Cag
Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:10 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The loss of contact (May 24 / 25)
Replies: 77
Views: 26330

Re: The loss of contact (May 24 / 25)

Hi All Hi Alberto, thanks for posting this I tried to paraphrase it on the engage or not to engage thread due to worries regarding the copyright limitations/infringements. I think I understand your process here, am I right in thinking that you are trying to link a hypothetical Admiralty critisism an...
by Cag
Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:45 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?
Replies: 179
Views: 35919

Re: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?

Hi All Hi Dunmunro thank you for that much appreciated. Hi Alberto if you look back I think I have answered that question? The reasons for non engagement are explained, if you agree WW thought his role was to shadow and his shadowing tactics were affirmed not criticised then he did what was expected...
by Cag
Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:03 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?
Replies: 179
Views: 35919

Re: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?

Hi All Hi Alberto, if his superiors were happy with his shadowing tactics if they were of the opinion that he never put a foot wrong which part of that do you not consider an answer? Obviously from your list it shows clearly your dislike for Wake Walkers conduct during the operation, and that's your...
by Cag
Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:30 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?
Replies: 179
Views: 35919

Re: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?

Hi All Hi Alberto, please no more games, its getting a little childish now. I'm afraid, a solid argument, a discussion and even conjecture I can cope with, deciding who is allowed to use what references with hypocrisy and trying to create fact from opinion I can't. I accept your opinion but it's not...
by Cag
Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:57 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?
Replies: 179
Views: 35919

Re: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?

Hi All Hi Alberto, well no one reading this can deny that on repeated occasions I've offered the hand of peace and compromise but I'm not sure that is your purpose. I'm not sure there is any real merit in answering your points, as the fact that WW never faced any questioning regarding his role in th...
by Cag
Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:27 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?
Replies: 179
Views: 35919

Re: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?

Hi All Hi Alberto, if you don't see that WW superiors were happy with all aspects of his actions, ie 'he never put a foot wrong' etc then we have another piece of evidence of the fact that we have deniers on both sides, as there is only evidence to suggest those in power were unhappy with his respon...
by Cag
Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:45 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?
Replies: 179
Views: 35919

Re: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?

Hi All Hi Alberto, here you go 19.16B 24/5 from Admiralty to Norfolk and Suffolk shadowing by Norfolk has been admirable keep it up and good luck. Davies letter Roskill papers "the shadowing of Wake-Walkers cruisers could not have been bettered and excited the imagination of all of us. Tom Phillips ...
by Cag
Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:07 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?
Replies: 179
Views: 35919

Re: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?

Hi All Hi Alberto I realise that this is pointless as you have your opinion, but could you show me the paperwork that shows Toveys or Pounds or anyone elses revulsion at Norfolk or Suffolk not engaging when Prinz Eugen did? I presume that if you can not is is therefore your opinion that there was so...
by Cag
Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:45 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 2265
Views: 126414

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hi All Hi Wadinga as Alberto posted (thanks Alberto it would have taken me a while to find it) it was Phillips who had some kind of criticism of him, what it was is unspecified but I would suggest it may have been his response to the Admiralty signal, and as posted Davies does suggest the criticism ...
by Cag
Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:32 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?
Replies: 179
Views: 35919

Re: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?

Hi All Hi Alberto, so both officers in charge of the ships independently decided not to engage? There must be a reason why they both independantly decided not to do so? It would be an amazing set of coincidences that the RN put two extremely timid officers in charge of sister ship cruisers and sent ...
by Cag
Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:03 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?
Replies: 179
Views: 35919

Re: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?

Hi All Hi Antonio, I will say it again just in case you missed it, neither the initial 10nm nor the re evaluated 15nm was correct. We know that from the reconstruction of the battle maps. There was no need to justify anything as no one was questioning it, unless you have new evidence? Alberto I thin...
by Cag
Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:41 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?
Replies: 179
Views: 35919

Re: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?

Hi All Hi Antonio, we know the reason that Norfolk did not shadow closely, because her rdf was not as good as Suffolks which is the real actual fact. You say she 'simply sailed the ocean' which clearly shows your opinion of Wake -Walker. Norfolk was not simply wasting fuel on a joy ride she had alre...
by Cag
Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:52 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?
Replies: 179
Views: 35919

Re: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?

Hi All Just to add, if we logically look at the firing sequence ordered by Admiral Holland we have a GIC command. If you read the progress in gunnery tactics reports you see that in a two ship concentration the interval between each ship in their firing sector is up to 30 seconds. The idea being tha...