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by Cag
Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:47 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?
Replies: 179
Views: 37748

Re: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?

Hi All Hi Antonio, it would be a funny moment as I'd see two independant cruisers with no other orders given other than follow and flank mark did exactly that, followed and attempted to flank mark. I'm afraid your position on the cruisers positions and the assumption they were to engage is your opin...
by Cag
Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:25 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?
Replies: 179
Views: 37748

Re: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?

Hi All Hi Antonio, although I do bot hold the view myself as you know Roskill was investigating Holland's tactics for not using the destroyers and the cruisers. Again we assume that the cruisers were always going to be involved in the action an assumption not backed up by any official record. I'm af...
by Cag
Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:03 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 2265
Views: 140815

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hi All From the Broadhurst book Churchills Anchor "Corelli Barnett in his book Engage the enemy more closely claims that Churchill had more or less become a permanent fixture (in the Admiralty War Room) because of his fascination with the hunt for the Bismarck. In fact Churchill had been told about ...
by Cag
Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:20 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?
Replies: 179
Views: 37748

Re: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?

Hi All This again refers to re engaging Bismarck and is ambiguous, is it a prodding message is it not? It does not say the Admiralty were furious that Norfolk or Suffolk had not participated in the morning action nor does it imply it. According to the notes written by Davies the Admiralty were very ...
by Cag
Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:33 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?
Replies: 179
Views: 37748

Re: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?

Hi All Hi Alberto, Norfolks track works for me? Hi Antonio, firstly may I say as much as I respect those who took part in the battle I respect your work and the effort you put into it. But for me questions remain, why would two independent ships independently decide not to engage if they were meant ...
by Cag
Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:56 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?
Replies: 179
Views: 37748

Re: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?

Hi All Hi Alberto your question was answered regarding the morning engagement and afternoon re engagement question. As you know you in a previous thread you asserted Norfolk turned away at 05.41 and retracted this once challenged. Pinchin plot is not the question here...... Norfolks track on it is. ...
by Cag
Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:50 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?
Replies: 179
Views: 37748

Re: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?

Hi All Hi Alberto the morning battle was never part of the threat of CM. Toveys despatch has nothing to do with the threatened charge, I'm afraid that is something you wish to link it with. Again you assume the cruisers were meant to join the battle and ignore evidence of follow and flank mark. His ...
by Cag
Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:08 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?
Replies: 179
Views: 37748

Re: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?

Hi All Hi Alberto, you're entitled to your opinion and as I say take it up with the staff college, tactical School and Roskill as if you read the paper he was in agreement (They give Suffolk as 10nm distant and Norfolk 15nm at 02.30?). Roskills question was if Holland had signalled his intent to CS1...
by Cag
Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:48 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?
Replies: 179
Views: 37748

Re: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?

Hi All Hi Alberto, no they based their assessment on the cruiser positions at 02.30 when a cyphered message from Holland would have been received and deciphered. Again we have no evidence that a) Wake-Walker was meant to engage, his tactical role seems to have been only to follow and flank mark (as ...
by Cag
Wed Jan 03, 2018 4:27 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?
Replies: 179
Views: 37748

Re: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?

Hi All You have not yet seen my map as it is not complete and all done by hand. Once completed and looking good I would be happy to post it. Once BC1 was in sight I would guess any movement would be important? Again you seem to know the inside workings of Wake-Walkers mind, his tactical role was to ...
by Cag
Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:26 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?
Replies: 179
Views: 37748

Re: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?

Hi All Hi Alberto happy New year! I've used PoW plan 4 and Pinchin Norfolk track and both 220 and 230 match ok for me. As discussed at length the strategical map is a small scale map but each person can use what they wish I'm sure you agree. Again we don't know what movements Bismarck made, we know ...
by Cag
Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:10 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?
Replies: 179
Views: 37748

Re: Wake-Walker : To engage or not to engage ?

Hi All Happy New Year to all. Just to clarify Wake-Walker never faced any question as to why he did not engage Bismarck during the morning action so any supposition that he should is opinion. PoW salvo chart gives Bismarck's course as 212° I believe? This is an example of misjudged course, Suffolks ...
by Cag
Mon Dec 25, 2017 9:41 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: SEASON'S GREETINGS!
Replies: 9
Views: 5407

Re: SEASON'S GREETINGS!

Hi All

I hope everyone has a peaceful happy and healthy Christmas and wish the very best for 2018.

Best to all
Cag.
by Cag
Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:24 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 2265
Views: 140815

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hi All Hi Alberto, I'm afraid it is another phrase open to interpretation, to press home the action in my personal opinion would generally mean to make a decisive attack, to inflict real damage on your opponent, to press any damage/action home. This is what confuses me about the comparison with Trou...
by Cag
Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:04 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 2265
Views: 140815

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hi All Hi Antonio, sorry for the delay very busy at the moment with Christmas approaching rapidly, as I guess are we all! I also guess your remark that 'somebody' realising the CM threat was real may be me? Again a little unfair as it was this 'somebody' who actually decided to go and find this lett...