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by Cag
Tue Oct 13, 2015 3:21 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: RN Operative Orders for the Bismarck chase
Replies: 36
Views: 5246

Re: RN Operative Orders for the Bismarck chase

Dear All, I think as always Alberto has some valid points, maybe if the cruisers had made an attempt to engage then this discussion is null and void (And we would now be debating the validity of such a move instead!) as it would also be if the cruisers were only ever meant to shadow (No subsequent o...
by Cag
Tue Oct 13, 2015 11:56 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Plot
Replies: 1235
Views: 70826

Re: The Plot

Dear All, In the Kriegstagebuch of BC and PG there is mention of PoW, mistaken as KG V, re-opening fire at 0621 and the shells falling outboard of the German ships, we know from the gunnery plot of PoW and Capt Leach narrative and her log that she did not open fire at this time. The only ship on the...
by Cag
Mon Oct 12, 2015 3:58 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Plot
Replies: 1235
Views: 70826

Re: The Plot

Dear Antonio, I agree with all your sentiments and I have no doubt in my mind that you will achieve your goal and hope you recieve the plaudits that you will richly deserve for the hard work that you, with help from all the other contributors, have put into the project. I am a newcomer to this forum...
by Cag
Mon Oct 12, 2015 3:41 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Fighting Instructions
Replies: 38
Views: 4945

Re: The Fighting Instructions

Dear All, I am in agreement with you Alberto and have studied Antonio's plot and his fair approach towards distances etc, but I do think we also have to be fair to those present on the 24th May as well. I do understand how hard it is to present a case against a lot of opposition and have tried to re...
by Cag
Mon Oct 12, 2015 2:37 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Plot
Replies: 1235
Views: 70826

Re: The Plot

Dear All, I'd like to thank Alecsandros for all the info as it helps a great deal in trying to understand what was achievable.I hope that Antonio has read my earlier post and accepts the apology as regards any idea of my refuting his work. It is a difficult proposition to recreate a better plot as t...
by Cag
Mon Oct 12, 2015 2:23 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Fighting Instructions
Replies: 38
Views: 4945

Re: The Fighting Instructions

Dear All, I am in agreement with Alberto that to 'chance one's arm' and rely on luck was definitely an option for Wake-Walker, however to get within 20,000yds of BC and or PG at the rate of excess speed that was available to HMS Norfolk and at the distance of 11nm to BC shown on Diagram B would have...
by Cag
Sat Oct 10, 2015 11:31 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Plot
Replies: 1235
Views: 70826

Re: The Plot

Dear All, just a note had logged in and posted but it seems that something went wrong and it went to a post that will have to be viewed by a moderator, (Most likely my error!) so it may not appear until later and would like to ask if you would 'keep your eyes open' for the late post! Sorry for the e...
by Cag
Fri Oct 09, 2015 2:52 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Plot
Replies: 1235
Views: 70826

Re: The Plot

Dear All, Thank you Alecsandros very much for your help, would you know if this range was effective as it is close to the max range of 30,650? If we assume that an effective range (ie to be able to gauge line of fire fall and short or over etc) would be around 20,000yds? And that neither BC or PG in...
by Cag
Fri Oct 09, 2015 12:36 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Plot
Replies: 1235
Views: 70826

Re: The Plot

Dear All, Just some further info from the Suffolk and Norfolk logs (ADM 53/115099 and ADM 53/114810). The logs do show the speeds at which the ships could have travelled under certain conditions, ie Authorised full power, with all despatch 9/10ths, with despatch 3/5ths, convenient despatch 2/5ths, m...
by Cag
Thu Oct 08, 2015 6:55 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Plot
Replies: 1235
Views: 70826

Re: The Plot

Dear All, May I suggest that we do have actual evidence of what could be seen on the 24th rather than rely on drawn evidence? There is a picture from PG (At the Diagram B distance of 8.5 miles) of Hood exploding which if used as 'what the eye could see' visual evidence rather than through optical en...
by Cag
Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:07 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Plot
Replies: 1235
Views: 70826

Re: The Plot

Dear All, Thank you Wadinga and Antonio for your kind words! (Gentelmanly conduct costs nothing but is worth a great deal) I will always attempt to help if I can, the Logs of Suffolk and Norfolk are available from the National Archives in Kew for around £31 plus postage and packing. Both logs do sta...
by Cag
Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:55 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Fighting Instructions
Replies: 38
Views: 4945

Re: The Fighting Instructions

HI All, I understand the reasoning behind the argument of Norfolk and Suffolk engaging PG, and have asked three questions on other threads on this matter (Don't worry I won't again!) which I think it is important to consider. In the end the PG was the lead ship and to engage her the British cruisers...
by Cag
Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:35 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Plot
Replies: 1235
Views: 70826

Re: The Plot

Hi All, Sorry Antonio it was most likely my fault in not explaining fully but no harm done. I do see your point and agree that some of the measurements are probably wrong (Maybe even both or more likely all of them!) but still think that its error rather than cover up (If it was cover up wouldn't th...
by Cag
Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:21 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Plot
Replies: 1235
Views: 70826

Re: The Plot

Dear All, Thank you Antonio for the explanation, I'm sorry I think I must not have been clear enough with my premise. I am aware that the cover up theory is based on the 0600 hrs positions (Diagram B triangle) I was searching to find corroborating evidence that may help, if the Norfolk signal of 054...
by Cag
Tue Oct 06, 2015 3:27 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Plot
Replies: 1235
Views: 70826

Re: The Plot

Dear All, Just a further note on the 'plot' just re reading the reconstructed Kriegstagebuch of the BC (Sorry for writing BS!) on page 131 it states that a message was received from Gruppe Nord at 0634 hrs informing the BC of Norfolk's 0541 signal. Their interception of this message reads "1 Battles...