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by Cag
Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:39 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 2265
Views: 125744

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hi All Hi Antonio, this is just a few thoughts on your post above, not a criticism or an over write. As the person who discussed the specific threatened charges and if a conviction could actually be achieved and also visited the Churchill Archive and posted the Tovey letters and their reference, I t...
by Cag
Sun Dec 17, 2017 6:47 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 2265
Views: 125744

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hi All Hi Alberto page 51 I believe. Thank you for the heads up on that forum subject. I see your last point as regards the 'turn onward' it was not at Hoods loss, therefore I apologise for my assumption that it was something to do with that. However as you initially wrote he did not say there were ...
by Cag
Sun Dec 17, 2017 3:31 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 2265
Views: 125744

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hi All Hi Alberto, I have found the 3/5 guns message dated the 27th May and it refers to the guns in action as it includes the phrase Y turret would not bear. Is this the message you refer to? It was discussed that 3 guns may have been in action, ie firing, or 5 guns being capable of being fired in ...
by Cag
Sun Dec 17, 2017 3:01 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 2265
Views: 125744

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hi All Hi Alberto, The first 24/5 message from PoW to CS1 states A and B turrets in action Y turret 2 guns in action ie at that moment in time. This concurs with his report of 4th June see below. The second 24th May message at 10.07B from PoW to CS1 and CinC HF gives 9 main guns in action at that ti...
by Cag
Sun Dec 17, 2017 1:29 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 2265
Views: 125744

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hi All Alberto, for a great deal of people things are not resolved. I am aware that for you they are, and I accept that. I presume I was correct that the 3 and 5 gun signal was about the Hood explosion and not the withdrawal? However you are correct this discussion is the CM threat. The threat was a...
by Cag
Sun Dec 17, 2017 11:30 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 2265
Views: 125744

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hi All

Just to add, the trajectory of the CP hit the HACS tower hit the hull hit found in dry dock below the waterline and the funnel hit all came from off the bow. This would denote PoW was hit before any manoeuvre to break off the action.

Best wishes
Cag.
by Cag
Sun Dec 17, 2017 11:21 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 2265
Views: 125744

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hi All I hope that my post from the William Daniels notes helped, it is important as he was a first hand observer of the operation and of the mood in the war room and who exactly criticised whom. Dear Antonio, Again if you have the belief that people are trolling or that once you have posted somethi...
by Cag
Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:00 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 2265
Views: 125744

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hi All William Davies gives Roskill a set of notes. He was DDOO Foreign in 1941. He was in the war room from the 20th to the 28th May usually from 08.00 to 22.00 and took turns in sleeping there or at home. He states that Kennedy's pursuit tells the story well, Tom Phillips, Ralph Edwards and Charle...
by Cag
Sat Dec 16, 2017 7:34 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 2265
Views: 125744

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hi All Captain Leach did not lie in his report as to his reasons for disengagement. His report is included in Toveys despatch as is his explanation. His enclosure iv gives maps etc showing the times of disengagement etc. Despite the loss of Hood and his ship hit Leach continued to shadow and engage ...
by Cag
Sat Dec 16, 2017 7:03 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: KGV and PoW GAR during Op. Rheinubung
Replies: 278
Views: 38337

Re: KGV and PoW GAR during Op. Rheinubung

Hi All Hi Alberto, I would say that 105 rounds fired in the three engagements would be about right. 1) This is unknown at the moment, it all depends on Barbens 6 rounds for Y turret. Interestingly according to the other Archive letter by Barben there was a Vickers man in A turret with PoW Lt Cawthra...
by Cag
Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:55 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 2265
Views: 125744

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hi All Hi Antonio could you please point out where Leach lied in his report? Is his reasoning for disengagement a lie? Could you tell me in which regard is PoW GAR a lie, or her damage report? Is McMullen a liar in his gunnery assessment? Is Mr Murphy a liar? How is Dahlrymple Hamilton a liar? How i...
by Cag
Sat Dec 16, 2017 4:39 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 2265
Views: 125744

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hi All Alberto you seem to believe that the words of an ill informed Churchill annoy me. I'm afraid that they don't, more important things annoy me. Im pretty easy going to be honest, I tend to read what Tovey wrote in his letter to Pound, what Captain Leach wrote in his report and what Dahlrymple H...
by Cag
Sat Dec 16, 2017 4:01 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 2265
Views: 125744

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hi All Thank you Alberto, although I'm not sure what naif means, do you mean naive? Again Troughtbridge is a comment from the man who caused that particular Admirals problems in the first place. Troughtbridge was cleared was he not? Troughtbridge shadowed and did not engage and discontinued the chas...
by Cag
Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:33 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 2265
Views: 125744

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hi All Antonio no one is trolling, there is a question to answer, Tovey states the charge, and his reason to rebuff it. You maintain that the lack of cruiser involvement and the withdrawal are part of an investigation into the battle and I'm ok with that. Other documents deal with those issues.The c...
by Cag
Sat Dec 16, 2017 2:58 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Hit on POW compass platform
Replies: 124
Views: 27262

Re: Hit on POW compass platform

Hi All Thank you Mr Willey for posting it was very gratifying to hear your father survived. I think the casualties were from three areas, the compass platform, the ADP, and the RDF room aft. I'm trying to find out the action stations complement of the CP, of course there were wounded too, including ...