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by Cag
Sat Dec 16, 2017 2:25 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: KGV and PoW GAR during Op. Rheinubung
Replies: 278
Views: 40978

Re: KGV and PoW GAR during Op. Rheinubung

Hi all Hi Alberto Im still working on this sorry for the delay but its in between ordinary life! I suggest a good book to read is The Big Gun by Peter Hodges, it explains how the KGV class gun turrets worked. Yes B turret had a shell ring that consisted of 8 shells in total, two shells in trays spac...
by Cag
Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:44 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 2265
Views: 140756

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hi All The main point here is the wording used in the letter or indeed every quote taken directly from this letter. If we are to use this evidence we must use exactly the terms written by the person who made them. Tovey states that on his return to Scapa a telephone conversation took place in which ...
by Cag
Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:39 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: KGV and PoW GAR during Op. Rheinubung
Replies: 278
Views: 40978

Re: KGV and PoW GAR during Op. Rheinubung

Hi All Hi Alberto just as a bit of info there were 3 Vickers men on board during the battle Barben and another gentleman in B turret, Lt Cawthra of PoW had another Vickers worker in A turret. Y turret had PoW ordnance officer Lt Lancaster stationed there without any Vickers employees. A1 gun accordi...
by Cag
Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:02 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: KGV and PoW GAR during Op. Rheinubung
Replies: 278
Views: 40978

Re: KGV and PoW GAR during Op. Rheinubung

Hi All Hi Alberto thanks for that, I'm working through this at the moment, I've also got a letter from Barben from another archive which states his position during the battle was in B turret. I presume this would allow him to have known exactly what happened in that turret. His explanations do tend ...
by Cag
Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:24 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 2265
Views: 140756

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hi All Dear me Alberto you really exasperate me! Ok here goes last time of trying, thank you for your examples which I will use to explain simply. 1st example. The manner in which an organisation is managed or directed. To manage or direct- to run, direct, control, oversee, lead, head, co ordinate. ...
by Cag
Sat Dec 02, 2017 4:26 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 2265
Views: 140756

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hi All Alberto I'm afraid I'm not the one playing word games here. I think you need to read my posts again. You state that conduct implies behaviour, can an inanimate object behave in any way? You have to look at the use of the words "of" and "in". Conduct of the action, the action is the inanimate ...
by Cag
Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:47 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 2265
Views: 140756

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hi All Hi Alberto just to add as I missed your point, please believe that I'm not attempting to play with words, to me to discuss the conduct of the action means discussion of what occurred, what and how it happened. To have discussed the conduct in the action would mean looking at how those partici...
by Cag
Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:49 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 2265
Views: 140756

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hi All Forgive me Alberto but the conduct of a person is entirely different to the conduct of an inanimate object such as a battle. Just to point out an inanimate object cannot be judged as to it's behaviour as it is inanimate. I'm afraid this is a fact. The phrase used is I believe conduct of the b...
by Cag
Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:29 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 2265
Views: 140756

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hi All Hi Alberto thanks for that, the original scan was too unclear but that helps a great deal. So we know from correspondance in 205/10 that the M08524/41 preliminary report is also referenced. We also have mention of the discussions between Churchill and Leach etc regarding the conduct of the ac...
by Cag
Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:05 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 2265
Views: 140756

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hi All Hi Alberto, thank you for posting the Alexander signature to be honest I'm not sure the signature is AVA, the upward rising pen mark at the end of the signature does not match Alexander's finishing A. Obviously I have only seen the copy shown here and it is probably of no significance in any ...
by Cag
Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:58 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 2265
Views: 140756

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hi All Thank you Antonio, I agree with you that the preliminary report was seen as it is mentioned in handwriting at the top of the page on document 332 19th September 41 (ref "See M08524/41' which equates to C in C preliminary report). The date of the Barnes letter was 10th September which would fi...
by Cag
Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:34 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 2265
Views: 140756

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hi All,

May I ask Antonio am I correct in thinking you believe that Pound suppressed the preliminary report from Tovey?

This enabling the other reports to be gathered and prompted by Tovey and allowing the intentional alteration of the despatch.

Best wishes
Cag.
by Cag
Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:37 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 2265
Views: 140756

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hi All

I'm afraid Alberto we are possibly coming to a few premature conclusions?

Best wishes
Cag.
by Cag
Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:46 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 2265
Views: 140756

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hi All Hi Alberto and Antonio thank you for those excerpts of the letter. It shows that we are correct in thinking that the full dispatch was seen by the board members, as we know Alexander was on that board. It also shows the full dispatch was used in the decision making process. This added to the ...
by Cag
Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:13 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 2265
Views: 140756

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hi All Hi Alberto, there is no need to feels sorry, yourself and Antonio tell me that the decision came down to two incorrect points in a dispatch. After having seen Roskills evidence that Toveys dispatch actually included 9 appendices which included all the relevant correct reports maps track chart...