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by Cag
Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:03 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 2265
Views: 140755

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hi All Hi Alberto, thanks yes the points you make are very valid, the board consisted of quite a number of people who would have had to read the whole dispatch to make any judgement. We are suggesting that the whole decision is based on two incorrect points. Both points are covered in other reports ...
by Cag
Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:43 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 2265
Views: 140755

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hi All, Hi Alberto, thank you, to be fair if it's ok I'll address your point further on in this post. Hi Antonio, thank you for your answers it's much appreciated. I can see your points and will read the references you have given thank you. Im sure you understand that there are evidences that still ...
by Cag
Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:56 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 2265
Views: 140755

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hi All, Hi Alberto, to start with please do not take this as argumentative or denial. Im trying to get to the facts of the matter, and I would suggest that the statement to Cunningham is directly related to Leach breaking off the action. It was sent to one of the members of the board. It is relevant...
by Cag
Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:33 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 2265
Views: 140755

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hi All Hi Alberto thanks for the answer. The relative facts of the case could I presume be raised and discussed at any board meeting conviened to discuss certain actions and reports. Im not sure we can assume that there was any order to stick to only certain information. The Board had always consist...
by Cag
Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:48 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 2265
Views: 140755

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hi All Hi Antonio thanks for the printing of the letter, it was hard to make out on screen as are they all. May I ask a few questions? Notes 1) Is there a signature on the 19th September document? 2) If this is referencing the outstanding issue of a previous letter dated June, is it not this issue t...
by Cag
Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:40 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 2265
Views: 140755

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hi All

Hi Alberto, my mistake no problem, when you put "avoid such title for Pound" I didn't quite know if you'd misread it or I'd misread you.........but I'd misread you!

Thanks :oops:

Best wishes
Cag.
by Cag
Wed Nov 29, 2017 4:48 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 2265
Views: 140755

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hi All, Hi Alberto, I think I did say that any such action is counter productive and refrain from doing so myself. But I did laugh at the 'side' jibe so thank you. However I think Wadinga is refering to the nature of the report which is pusillanimous, ie implied by Pound that PoW action was showing ...
by Cag
Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:40 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 2265
Views: 140755

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hi All, Thanks Antonio, to be honest Im afraid if trying to discuss actual evidence whether Leach had sufficient grounds to break off is trolling, Im not sure what this debate or forum is for? As I have said, just because some people may disagree with you, or in my case to try to discuss what was se...
by Cag
Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:10 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 2265
Views: 140755

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hi All Hi Alberto, you continue, I won't resort to using a recent writing in capitals development in the way this discussion seems to be going, promote the notion that I have a side. But I do thank you that at least you do not resort to name calling. If debate and objection to an opinion is allowed ...
by Cag
Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:35 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 2265
Views: 140755

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hi All Hi Antonio I think the name calling should stop please. The log of Norfolk states '06.14 PoW breaks off action' it is there in black and white. If as you suggest we are discussing Leach then the report made by him, his gunnery officer, and the damage to his ship are relevant. So is the eviden...
by Cag
Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:54 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 2265
Views: 140755

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hi All According to the IWM images (TR 384) I think Pafford was Toveys Secretary and Bingley was his Chief of Staff but don't quote me. The letter dated 1961 from Tovey to Roskill mentions a phone call after he returned, no date no other details. The first point raised in the telephone conversation ...
by Cag
Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:19 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 2265
Views: 140755

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hi All, Thank you, so we can be as sure as we can that the Leach report, damage reports, official examinations, GAR do not show intentional alteration. As for the plot/Hood inquiries, neither the 10000yds estimate nor the 15000yds estimate were correct and the estimated position shown on the plot is...
by Cag
Tue Nov 28, 2017 12:31 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 2265
Views: 140755

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hi All Hi Alberto, do we have any evidence that the official reports that we have access to ( Leach report, PoW GAR inc maps, damage reports sent from Rosyth, visits made by officials and Hood inquiry members, etc etc) show any signs of intentional alteration of the facts? Our whole story of the bat...
by Cag
Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:00 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 2265
Views: 140755

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hi All Hi Alberto, the Admiralty would have donated the files available to the old PRO. Therefore it would be safe to assume if they came from Admiralty records the Admiralty had them. The 30th May report was I think also sent to the Admiralty and as with the Pounds 26th May comments was written wit...
by Cag
Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:34 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 2265
Views: 140755

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Hi All Hi Alberto, thanks, but surely it was the War Cabinet Secretary that was looking for further reports not their Lordships. Toveys covering letter states captains and flag officer's reports etc would follow. They must have followed as we have copies in the Archives donated by the Admiralty. Fol...