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by HMSVF
Sun May 19, 2019 4:48 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941
Replies: 251
Views: 13197

Re: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941

What does this post (http://www.kbismarck.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8552&start=135#p83645) have to do with the wrong statement ("when finally taken under effective fire by Bismarck Prince of Wales completely lost the plot.") posted by Byron Angel here (http://www.kbismarck.org/forum/viewtopic.p...
by HMSVF
Sun May 19, 2019 4:41 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941
Replies: 251
Views: 13197

Re: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941

It is my impression here that most of the discussions, though often in a highly indirect manner, seem to revolve around the following hypotheses, primarily championed by mssrs. Bonomi (who no longer paricipates) and Mr. Virtuani. In essence, I interpret these to be: a) That a historical analysis an...
by HMSVF
Fri May 17, 2019 6:19 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941
Replies: 251
Views: 13197

Re: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941

Hi Alberto, You posted the other day: No, we don't, because no data is available for KGV ordered shots (you have assumed them, without any evidence supporting). In addition, KGV fired for 20 minutes from shorter distance at a significantly slower Rate of Fire (1.7 salvo per minute vs 1.9 average fo...
by HMSVF
Sat May 11, 2019 11:47 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941
Replies: 251
Views: 13197

Re: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941

Hello everybody, "Unfortunately time isn't on Hoods side as the battle lasts only 6 (?) minutes" I agree time was not on Hood side, but Hood opened fire at 5:52:30 and exploded at 6:00: thus 7.5 minutes, in this timeframe PoW (using (small) coincidence rangefinders) was able to hit 3 times, Hood no...
by HMSVF
Sat May 11, 2019 8:45 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941
Replies: 251
Views: 13197

Re: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941

Therefore all accounts ascribe the hits to Prince of Wales and thus indirectly criticize Hood's gunnery, with the more-informed ones identifying the ancient and unmodernised fire control system as a major factor. Lord Chatfield pointed out in 1941 Hood had fought a ship 25 years younger than hersel...
by HMSVF
Sat May 11, 2019 1:42 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941
Replies: 251
Views: 13197

Re: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941

Fellow Contributors, The only example where the generation of Happy Endings were contemplated, and then not for long: (she was really firing very badly, but the happy-ending novel could not point at Hood after her destruction...) was that the British authorities did want, perhaps sentimentally, per...
by HMSVF
Sun May 05, 2019 11:40 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: PoW readiness for active service
Replies: 309
Views: 13463

Re: PoW readiness for active service

Hello everybody, exactly, "superficial damages" assessed " from incomplete and probably somewhat contradictory statements " by Leach, just after the battle. Light damages assessed after a " thorough examination " by Tovey in his point 19 (http://www.kbismarck.org/forum/download/file.php?id=3507) af...
by HMSVF
Sun May 05, 2019 9:18 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: PoW readiness for active service
Replies: 309
Views: 13463

Re: PoW readiness for active service

I think it important to take into account the times at which various assessments of damage, on either side, were made. We have -- at least in the case of PoW -- one set of assessments made during the action itself, being made in some haste in the heat of battle from incomplete and probably somewhat...
by HMSVF
Sat May 04, 2019 3:03 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: PoW readiness for active service
Replies: 309
Views: 13463

Re: PoW readiness for active service

They had built both KGV and PoW guns and mountings. The result of PoW trials were considered "satisfactory" despite the defects by the Vickers + Admiralty + Officers of PoW. I agree we cannot listen only at Vickers, but dates and evidences point to KGV to have been rushed out of the door much soone...
by HMSVF
Sat May 04, 2019 1:50 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: PoW readiness for active service
Replies: 309
Views: 13463

Re: PoW readiness for active service

"If anyone has anything to add to this discussion (dates are listed here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8523&start=195#p83200), he will be welcome to do so providing solid evidences (material missing, working behind schedule, etc.) that explain why PoW needed more time than KGV to be declared "ready for acti...
by HMSVF
Thu May 02, 2019 8:05 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: PoW readiness for active service
Replies: 309
Views: 13463

Re: PoW readiness for active service

"I'm still waiting any evidence from them to justify why PoW needed so much more time than KGV to get "ready"," This is IMO a misstatement of the case under consideration. If I am deciphering this all correctly - It seems to rest upon an assumption that KGV was "ready" at the end of its working-up ...
by HMSVF
Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:26 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: PoW readiness for active service
Replies: 309
Views: 13463

Re: PoW readiness for active service

Hi Paul, I would say that the data posted up to now point to KGV to have been rushed into active service, while PoW had a bit more time to get prepared. Of course in wartime all ships are rushed into service, but PoW (except the fact that she had to face a battle few days after she had been declare...
by HMSVF
Mon Apr 29, 2019 1:08 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: British postwar tests on armor
Replies: 83
Views: 5722

Re: British postwar tests on armor

Gentlemen, Just an aside, but does this mean that the two 'Nelsons' were actually pretty tough old birds Yes, very tough, although their armoured belts were reckoned to be on the shallow side. This was identified and a planned modification was prepared but never fitted due to the onset of war. My u...
by HMSVF
Sun Apr 28, 2019 8:08 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: British postwar tests on armor
Replies: 83
Views: 5722

Re: British postwar tests on armor

BWOC, post war trials on Rodney showed that a 2000lb AP bomb had to be dropped above 5000ft to penetrate her Main Armoured Deck, which was much thicker (6in versus 4in) than Tirpitz's MAD and Rodney's magazines were two decks below the MAD and had a 1.5in splinter deck directly above them. You don'...
by HMSVF
Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:30 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: PoW readiness for active service
Replies: 309
Views: 13463

Re: PoW readiness for active service

Hello everybody, HMSVF wrote: "So whilst the lower part of the trunk was installed the gun house and rifles were not? " I was possibly not clear in my previous posts. Before the bomb (August 1940) the lower part (the whole trunk and shell ring, was already installed. During the bombing the turntabl...