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by dunmunro
Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:39 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck firing procedures at DS
Replies: 719
Views: 46242

Re: Bismarck firing procedures at DS

You state above that Bismarck was having troubles obtaining a FC solution even when Hood was visible through Bismarck's optical sights, but firing using radar would have made the situation far worse, because the bearing accuracy of radar was far worse than optical bearing accuracy. Visibility wasn'...
by dunmunro
Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:31 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Anson and Tirpitz
Replies: 39
Views: 367

Re: Anson and Tirpitz

Taking 15min to transport shells had nothing to do with RN damage. Richelieu wasn't completed until 1943. Again, pg 110 and 121 present the timetable for installment of aaa guns and radar - up to 1941 - thus the displacement from june 1940 is not that of a completed ship. You obviously don't have J...
by dunmunro
Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:08 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Anson and Tirpitz
Replies: 39
Views: 367

Re: Anson and Tirpitz

Jordan and Dumas state that she was and I gave you the page number where they state it. Reading J&D and G&D it seems that all the needed material for operational status was installed aboard Richelieu. Are you deliberately trolling or simply bored ? Jordan and Dumas mention the ship was "commissione...
by dunmunro
Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:46 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck firing procedures at DS
Replies: 719
Views: 46242

Re: Bismarck firing procedures at DS

Instead of acting like a troll you could respond politely by directing readers to this topic: http://www.kbismarck.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5752 (explains some KM FC terminology and technology including the above). Of course it is obvious that Bismarck didn't maintain a constant output from 0553-0...
by dunmunro
Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:36 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Anson and Tirpitz
Replies: 39
Views: 367

Re: Anson and Tirpitz

PoW was completed but suffered repeated main armament breakdowns. Completion and workup where equipment is given vigorous testing is still vital. But was Richelieu completed or not in June 1940 ? Jordan and Dumas state that she was and I gave you the page number where they state it. Reading J&D and...
by dunmunro
Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:28 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck firing procedures at DS
Replies: 719
Views: 46242

Re: Bismarck firing procedures at DS

That it would mean ludicrously long intervals between salvoes at other times is also correct. Unless Bismarck stopped shooting during the fabled 14 minutes. Exactly as PoW did. 108 is the second assumption. I'm even invited to make up my own nonsense value to be used in calculation: DO you understa...
by dunmunro
Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:20 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Anson and Tirpitz
Replies: 39
Views: 367

Re: Anson and Tirpitz

The main reason given was to obtain ammunition, especially powder, and for dockyard assistance in making the ship operational. The main and secondary armament suffered breakdowns during her first action which is not surprising since the ship had no proper workup period. So the ship wasn't completed...
by dunmunro
Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:04 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: KGV + PoW
Replies: 103
Views: 2925

Re: KGV + PoW

No there's no date given for the inclining. KGV was at sea from 15 Jan to 11 Feb 1941. In Feb 1941 she exchanged her Walrus's for two Walrus's equipped with ASV radar. Sorry, but there's no way her standard displacement increased 1500 tons from her trials in Dec 1940 to May 1941. Type 284 and Type ...
by dunmunro
Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:01 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Anson and Tirpitz
Replies: 39
Views: 367

Re: Anson and Tirpitz

J&D say 15 June 1940 but physical completion doesn't equal operational status. If she was physically completed on June 15th, why was the ship scheduled to be sent to the Clyde in July ? And how is considered 'completed' a battleship that takes 15min to hoist the shells from the main mags into the t...
by dunmunro
Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:14 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: KGV + PoW
Replies: 103
Views: 2925

Re: KGV + PoW

Actually, the inclining date isn't given in G&D ( I assumed incorrectly that it stated Oct 1940 ) but KGV was completed on 11 Dec 1940 and ran trials after that. The inclining data shows that full load and inclining full load are the same. Inclining is normally done just prior to trials. KGV had ra...
by dunmunro
Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:01 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Anson and Tirpitz
Replies: 39
Views: 367

Re: Anson and Tirpitz

alecsandros wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:50 am
dunmunro wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:18 am
They also had this to say:[...]
So 15 June was not the date when she was completed.

What was it then ?
J&D say 15 June 1940 but physical completion doesn't equal operational status.
by dunmunro
Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:18 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Anson and Tirpitz
Replies: 39
Views: 367

Re: Anson and Tirpitz

Jordan and Dumas: Richelieu as completed = 37250 tons ( = 37847 tonnes) Page 99. When was Richelieu completed ? According to Jordan and Dumas, on 15 June 1940 (p.123). They also had this to say: Full power trials were scheduled for 15 June. but with the Germans approaching, these were advanced by t...
by dunmunro
Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:02 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: KGV + PoW
Replies: 103
Views: 2925

Re: KGV + PoW

and had no major modifications after completion under her post Bismarck refit. KGV wasn't completed in Oct 1940. Actually, the inclining date isn't given in G&D ( I assumed incorrectly that it stated Oct 1940 ) but KGV was completed on 11 Dec 1940 and ran trials after that. The inclining data shows...
by dunmunro
Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:43 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Anson and Tirpitz
Replies: 39
Views: 367

Re: Anson and Tirpitz

This is from the KM itself: That is what Kriegsmarine THOUGHT about Richelieu. The real displacements of Richelieu are given in Jordan/Dumas "French battleships". The KM had the opportunity to inspect the ships and their design specifications right at the builders offices. Jordan and Dumas: Richeli...
by dunmunro
Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:32 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: KGV + PoW
Replies: 103
Views: 2925

Re: KGV + PoW

Bismarck was 43283 tons standard (Mr Rico's data) versus 38030 tons for KGV (G&D). The KM didn't bother to try and design Bismarck to 35k tons and designed a much larger ship than KGV that was also much heavier; this is pretty obvious from her dimensions. Again you are comparing apples with oranges...