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by dunmunro
Sun Sep 30, 2018 9:26 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck firing procedures at DS
Replies: 968
Views: 54959

Re: Bismarck firing procedures at DS

Hello everybody, when we will see Mr.Dunmunro battle and salvo reconstruction we will discuss. For the time being 5:55 is the earliest timing for BS open fire if Mr.Dunmunro doesn't want to make Bismarck firing far more slowly than PoW. :lol: Bye, Alberto I understand he is angry for having been un...
by dunmunro
Sun Sep 30, 2018 9:19 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck firing procedures at DS
Replies: 968
Views: 54959

Re: Bismarck firing procedures at DS

Even in your "enhanced" ingenious version, the junior ship has to fire before the Flagship . Very bad etiquette. Also unlikely given the command chain and order transmission. I did not make an enhanced version of anything. You asked a question about Jasper seeing his own shots "obscured". I simply ...
by dunmunro
Sun Sep 30, 2018 9:12 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck firing procedures at DS
Replies: 968
Views: 54959

Re: Bismarck firing procedures at DS

Hello everybody, Dunmunro wrote: "The other times are crude approximations" :lol: No they are "annoying" approximations for a hooligan, but very precise timings, written both in PG KTB and in Schmalenbach GAR + confirmd in all German official report..... :lol: Maybe Italian engineers consider timin...
by dunmunro
Sun Sep 30, 2018 9:09 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck firing procedures at DS
Replies: 968
Views: 54959

Re: Bismarck firing procedures at DS

The only really accurate timing we have of the action is via PoW's salvo chart which was recorded via her AFCT printer. There is some evidence, via her war diary that PE's similar recorder partially failed. http://www.kbismarck.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5972#p55432 Jasper clearly states in the Prin...
by dunmunro
Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:40 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck firing procedures at DS
Replies: 968
Views: 54959

Re: Bismarck firing procedures at DS

Hello everybody, Wadinga wrote: "There is still no certainty about when Bismarck started shooting, or when she ended, and it is clear there was considerable variation in her rate of fire given only 93 shells expended and the rate depicted in the film. " There is no certainty even that the sun will ...
by dunmunro
Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:35 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck firing procedures at DS
Replies: 968
Views: 54959

Re: Bismarck firing procedures at DS

that support the theory that Bismarck opened fire at 5:53 , together with BC1. It's an irrelevant theory, as Prinz Eugen's KTB clearly states 5:53 as open fire time of British ships and 5:55 as open fire for German ships (both). This naturally correlates with Luetjens's "running battle 20800 to 180...
by dunmunro
Fri Sep 28, 2018 7:51 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck firing procedures at DS
Replies: 968
Views: 54959

Re: Bismarck firing procedures at DS

Hello everybody, "Let's see if this hooligan is able to calculate the PoW 7,4 shells/minute (I hope the Bismarck 6,6 are not too difficult for him, just being = 93/14.... :lol: )" Mr.Dunmunro is NOT :lol: , as obvious, because mathematics is too difficult (or too tough to be accepted) for deniers. ...
by dunmunro
Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:36 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck firing procedures at DS
Replies: 968
Views: 54959

Re: Bismarck firing procedures at DS

P.S. I ignore his totally irrelevant question, because he is apparently mixing again oranges with apples, we should compare the 9 minutes between 5:53 and 6:02 with 14 minutes between 5:55 and 6:09 (not his fantasy timetable durations) :lol: When you build structures without proper foundations or p...
by dunmunro
Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:41 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck firing procedures at DS
Replies: 968
Views: 54959

Re: Bismarck firing procedures at DS

Dunmunro wrote: "In most parts of the world 93 is considered larger than 59.." But in no part of the world 93 shells in 14 minutes (with all guns bearing) is larger than 55 in 8.5 ( with 40% armament wooded for almost 50% of total firing timing ).... PoW's AFCT controlled output was over 8min 58 se...
by dunmunro
Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:37 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck firing procedures at DS
Replies: 968
Views: 54959

Re: Bismarck firing procedures at DS

Hello everybody, apart from the fact that Mr.Dunmunro is apparently unable to build his own spreadsheet because he has NOT even understood McMullen original table formulas (Enclosure I in his GAR: http://www.hmshood.org.uk/reference/official/adm234/adm234-509guns.htm) :lol: , I will not come back e...
by dunmunro
Thu Sep 27, 2018 6:32 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck firing procedures at DS
Replies: 968
Views: 54959

Re: Bismarck firing procedures at DS

Hello everybody, @ Alberto Virtuani, I suggest you to quit answering those non sense unless associated to a valuable analysis fairly and correctly presented in alternative to what we have largely provided on this forum, ... and thru our publications. Just as Alecsandros correctly recommended recent...
by dunmunro
Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:05 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck firing procedures at DS
Replies: 968
Views: 54959

Re: Bismarck firing procedures at DS

This is what we know actually about PoW, PE and Bismarck with some mild speculation for Bismarck in terms of ceasefire times: http://www.sfu.ca/~dmunro/images/DSsalvotable5.jpg consequently there should be a +/- error bar for Bismarck's data. I assumed that Aylwin would have ordered 3 x 2 gun salvos...
by dunmunro
Wed Sep 26, 2018 11:57 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Prinz Eugen firing procedures at DS
Replies: 31
Views: 796

Re: Prinz Eugen firing procedures at DS

This is what we know about PoW and PE with some speculation for Bismarck in terms of ceasefire times:

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by dunmunro
Wed Sep 26, 2018 11:52 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: KGV + PoW
Replies: 106
Views: 3638

Re: KGV + PoW

Gentlemen, Please forgive my ignorance in this,but if the KGV's gained several thousand tons over the years since they were built, where did all the extra weight go, was it all on extra armour,and if so what part of the ship was improved? There was some extra splinter protection added but the main ...
by dunmunro
Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:59 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Prinz Eugen firing procedures at DS
Replies: 31
Views: 796

Re: Prinz Eugen firing procedures at DS

There's no harm done except the loss of time to allow you to get sober again and to read what other people post...... :kaput: 46 = 184/4 to obtain a "4-guns-salvos" number to compare PG firing with PoW as per McMullen (who knew the exact number of semi-salvos and did not need to calculate a figure)...