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by paulcadogan
Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:27 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Jasper, Schmalenbach and 6 salvos...
Replies: 596
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Re: Jasper, Schmalenbach and 6 salvos...

@Alecsandros, That link is a war game from 2005. Brinkmann put the wind at Force 3 at 0600 (8 - 12 mph, 7 - 10 knots). It was at midnight on the 24th that Leach had the wind at Force 4 - 5 from the north. @Alberto, Sure the smoke is dispersing, but the boat deck fire flared big and then died down so...
by paulcadogan
Fri Feb 17, 2017 1:15 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Jasper, Schmalenbach and 6 salvos...
Replies: 596
Views: 60704

Re: Jasper, Schmalenbach and 6 salvos...

Hi Duncan, I see what you're saying. But under my theory, the gabelgruppe accounts for 3 salvos. This involves firing A+B (long), then after a short interval C+D (middle) then, after re-load, A+B again (short). The gap between the first two may be shorter than that between the second two. To go to v...
by paulcadogan
Fri Feb 17, 2017 5:01 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Jasper, Schmalenbach and 6 salvos...
Replies: 596
Views: 60704

Re: Jasper, Schmalenbach and 6 salvos...

Hi guys, Just sticking my nose in since my name's been being called in a few posts. And I do appreciate the spirit in which it has been called whether by those who think my scenario bears some credence or those who think it's wrong. But, for the discussion on Bismarck's open fire time (which this th...
by paulcadogan
Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:27 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Jasper, Schmalenbach and 6 salvos...
Replies: 596
Views: 60704

Re: Jasper, Schmalenbach and 6 salvos...

That's the reason why I think (my personal opinion only) that the PG film (lasting approx. from 6:03:40 till 6:05, while BS was on a steady course 270° herself, after the turn away due to "torpedoes", and PoW was still turning and zig-zag-ing) is not actually showing a "fire for effect" sequence bu...
by paulcadogan
Fri Jan 27, 2017 2:51 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Jasper, Schmalenbach and 6 salvos...
Replies: 596
Views: 60704

Re: Jasper, Schmalenbach and 6 salvos...

Hi all. @ Alberto: Yes I understand your interpretation and, from the other thread, Mark's, but the wording still seems ambiguous to me and my interpretation was the same as Alecsandros' - and it seems Brinkmann's too when he stated that the fire was started after PG's second salvo. It still puzzles...
by paulcadogan
Fri Jan 27, 2017 2:20 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Jasper, Schmalenbach and 6 salvos...
Replies: 596
Views: 60704

Re: Jasper, Schmalenbach and 6 salvos...

the order is executive when the JD flag is lowered , I guess. At the same time Lutjens would have transmitted the order to Lindemann.... Nope: Jot Dora JD Signal code used by the German ships for the command to "Permission to fire at will" or "Commence firing when ready". http://www.kbismarck.com/g...
by paulcadogan
Wed Jan 25, 2017 2:41 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Jasper, Schmalenbach and 6 salvos...
Replies: 596
Views: 60704

Re: Jasper, Schmalenbach and 6 salvos...

Hi all, Although I've said I was comfortable with the open fire time of 0555 for the Germans, I really find this discussion very thought-provoking. There are so many contradictions surrounding the action that I fear we cannot resolve definitively. I'm keeping an open mind - as Wadinga said - rigidly...
by paulcadogan
Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:07 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: That 0555 turn....
Replies: 50
Views: 15083

Re: That 0555 turn....

Being the navigating officer, and having to draw a map (even simplified), knowing exactly (in case of the "5:55" 20° turn to port) when it was ordered (5:55) and when it was executed (between 5:57 and 5:58), I would have drawn the map with a sharp turn at 5:57:30 (the mid point of the turn) NOT at ...
by paulcadogan
Wed Jan 18, 2017 2:35 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: That 0555 turn....
Replies: 50
Views: 15083

Re: That 0555 turn....

However, why did Rowell draw the turn exactly at 5:55 as a sharp turn instead of showing a "soft" course change from 5:57 till 5:58, as he certainly did at 6:00 with the emergency avoiding maneuver ? Is this just a simplification from Rowell (as for the turn at 5:50, the one at 6:10 etc.)? If yes, ...
by paulcadogan
Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:41 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: That 0555 turn....
Replies: 50
Views: 15083

Re: That 0555 turn....

Hi Alberto and Cag, Re; Rowell's statement about 2 minutes - be careful of your interpretation of an "order" versus the "execution" in Rowell's statement: Immediately after being hit, the Vice-Admiral hoisted the signal for a turnaway together of 20 degrees. This was executed about two minutes later...
by paulcadogan
Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:03 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: That 0555 turn....
Replies: 50
Views: 15083

Re: That 0555 turn....

Hi all, Alberto, I must concede to your judgement that blast could affect PoW's catapult deck area. I recalled Renown's self inflicted damage off Norway in 1940, that her hangar doors were damaged by Y-turret firing on a forward bearing to starboard. Checking the details: Both hangar doors were wrec...
by paulcadogan
Tue Jan 17, 2017 6:11 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: That 0555 turn....
Replies: 50
Views: 15083

Re: That 0555 turn....

Hi guys, Here is the quote from Leach''s narrative re the aircraft: Visibility continued to improve and by 0430 was about 12 miles. Consequently orders were given to refuel the aircraft. Owing to delays, principally on account of water in the fuel, aircraft was not ready until after fire had been op...
by paulcadogan
Tue Jan 17, 2017 2:26 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: That 0555 turn....
Replies: 50
Views: 15083

Re: That 0555 turn....

Alberto, I really doubt that the aircraft handlers, well sheltered behind the aft superstructure were at issue from Y-turret. The fact is the salvo plot puts the A-arcs opening at just before 0558... Unfortunately the salvo plot we have doesn't indicate who drew it. But its track obviously has basic...
by paulcadogan
Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:48 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: That 0555 turn....
Replies: 50
Views: 15083

Re: That 0555 turn....

Hmmm... Herr Nilsson's question on McMullen got me thinking... and now I have questions: The AFCT would require the input of the ship's course, speed and that of the target for every salvo. It is supposed to have a paper plot that: which could plot both own ship and target ship movement and record t...
by paulcadogan
Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:56 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Denmark Strait hits on HMS PoW
Replies: 99
Views: 24127

Re: Denmark Strait hits on HMS PoW

Hi all, @ Alberto Hunter-Terry places the C-F hit at about a minute after Hood blew up. My scenario puts it at about that plus a little. Remember too that the British (Leach's report) put the CP hit at 0602:30 - long after it really happened and after the C-F hit. And.. Hunter-Terry says Bismarck's ...