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Hi All Hi Alberto, if you don't see that WW superiors were happy with all aspects of his actions, ie 'he never put a foot wrong' etc then we have another piece of evidence of the fact that we have deniers on both sides, as there is only evidence to suggest those in power were unhappy with his respon...

Hi All Hi Alberto, here you go 19.16B 24/5 from Admiralty to Norfolk and Suffolk shadowing by Norfolk has been admirable keep it up and good luck. Davies letter Roskill papers "the shadowing of Wake-Walkers cruisers could not have been bettered and excited the imagination of all of us. Tom Phil...

Hi All Hi Alberto I realise that this is pointless as you have your opinion, but could you show me the paperwork that shows Toveys or Pounds or anyone elses revulsion at Norfolk or Suffolk not engaging when Prinz Eugen did? I presume that if you can not is is therefore your opinion that there was so...

Hi All Hi Wadinga as Alberto posted (thanks Alberto it would have taken me a while to find it) it was Phillips who had some kind of criticism of him, what it was is unspecified but I would suggest it may have been his response to the Admiralty signal, and as posted Davies does suggest the criticism ...

Hi All Hi Alberto, so both officers in charge of the ships independently decided not to engage? There must be a reason why they both independantly decided not to do so? It would be an amazing set of coincidences that the RN put two extremely timid officers in charge of sister ship cruisers and sent ...

Hi All Hi Antonio, I will say it again just in case you missed it, neither the initial 10nm nor the re evaluated 15nm was correct. We know that from the reconstruction of the battle maps. There was no need to justify anything as no one was questioning it, unless you have new evidence? Alberto I thin...

Hi All Hi Antonio, we know the reason that Norfolk did not shadow closely, because her rdf was not as good as Suffolks which is the real actual fact. You say she 'simply sailed the ocean' which clearly shows your opinion of Wake -Walker. Norfolk was not simply wasting fuel on a joy ride she had alre...

Hi All Just to add, if we logically look at the firing sequence ordered by Admiral Holland we have a GIC command. If you read the progress in gunnery tactics reports you see that in a two ship concentration the interval between each ship in their firing sector is up to 30 seconds. The idea being tha...

Hi All Hi Antonio, it would be a funny moment as I'd see two independant cruisers with no other orders given other than follow and flank mark did exactly that, followed and attempted to flank mark. I'm afraid your position on the cruisers positions and the assumption they were to engage is your opin...

Hi All Hi Antonio, although I do bot hold the view myself as you know Roskill was investigating Holland's tactics for not using the destroyers and the cruisers. Again we assume that the cruisers were always going to be involved in the action an assumption not backed up by any official record. I'm af...

Hi All From the Broadhurst book Churchills Anchor "Corelli Barnett in his book Engage the enemy more closely claims that Churchill had more or less become a permanent fixture (in the Admiralty War Room) because of his fascination with the hunt for the Bismarck. In fact Churchill had been told a...

Hi All This again refers to re engaging Bismarck and is ambiguous, is it a prodding message is it not? It does not say the Admiralty were furious that Norfolk or Suffolk had not participated in the morning action nor does it imply it. According to the notes written by Davies the Admiralty were very ...

Hi All Hi Alberto, Norfolks track works for me? Hi Antonio, firstly may I say as much as I respect those who took part in the battle I respect your work and the effort you put into it. But for me questions remain, why would two independent ships independently decide not to engage if they were meant ...

Hi All Hi Alberto your question was answered regarding the morning engagement and afternoon re engagement question. As you know you in a previous thread you asserted Norfolk turned away at 05.41 and retracted this once challenged. Pinchin plot is not the question here...... Norfolks track on it is. ...

Hi All Hi Alberto the morning battle was never part of the threat of CM. Toveys despatch has nothing to do with the threatened charge, I'm afraid that is something you wish to link it with. Again you assume the cruisers were meant to join the battle and ignore evidence of follow and flank mark. His ...