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Mr. Virtuani has a point. I take it Wadinga's argument, insinuations (if intended) removed, is that some material in the quote has been either taken out of context and/or that additional and relevant material has been omitted. In that regard, might it be helpful for someone to post more of the state...

I am not sure. Close measurements of the drawings in Prince of Wales War Damage Report, which include quite detailed diagrams of the projectile trajectories, show that the compass-platform hit seems to have approached at very nearly 45 degrees off the starboard bow. Whether that's an actual angle as...

dunmuro wrote: "If anyone needs further proof that the table showing PoW only firing for 8:58 (~0553-0602) seconds is a falsification:" Insofar as the word 'falsification' implies deliberate attempt to deceive, I would rephrase as "If anyone needs further proof that the table showing ...

Wadinga wrote: "I would be interested to hear the observations of an acknowledged expert on World War II naval gunnery about the glib observation, often repeated, that the closeness of Holland's formation made this target switch easy. PoW was not at the same range as Hood, was not on the same a...

I was, by coincidence, reading over Prince of Wales' War Damage Report today (book project...), and found some quotes which might be of interest. The report states, in part... "She received 7 hits, 3 with 15" shell and 3 with 8". The 7th cannot definitely be identified, but as probabl...

It's very complicated when getting into detail. In very simple terms, distance and target bearing really only work if both targets are stationary. In order to correct for projectile time of flight, one has to know one's own speed and course, target speed and course. plus current range and bearing, t...

Comments (tactfully phrased, of course) from other readers?

Bill Jurens

Dunmunro wrote: ***************************************** I have let this slide in the interests of trying to stop the acrimony but PoW opened fire at 0553 and ceasefire was ordered at 0611 as per her log. Honorable members, the above table appears to be a deliberate falsification of the open and ce...

I remain very interested in more deeply examining Mr. Virtuani's claim (if I get it right) that since (with the possible exception of Robert Winklareth) nobody has as as yet provided an alternative to Mr. Bonomi's track chart that Mr. Bonomi's track chart must be considered correct essentially by de...

In response to Wadinga, and in support of the validity of Mr. Bonomi's track chart, Mr. Virtuani wrote (in part): "...if no other solution is possible (and no one has presented a decent alternative), than the only solution is the proposed one." and "...as there is nobody able to propo...

The new discussions, so far, though perhaps a bit aggressively-toned in the occasional phrase, should they not escalate, would seem to be at least translatable into 'fair comment'. I am appreciative that correspondents now seem to be exercising more discretion in their submissions. Let's try not to ...

My thanks to Mr. Rico and others who have offered their support, and to those who have chosen to respect this brief moratorium on posting. I think enough time has elapsed so that we can safely re-open the forum again. My sincere hope, which I assume all share, is that we can hereafter commence and m...

So far as I know, basically all of the postings so far have been submitted within the suggested time-limit. There may have been some confusion regarding time zones and date lines, etc., some difficulties with individuals who perhaps don't visit the forum every day, and perhaps some time differences ...

I thank participants for their expressed opinions, all of which I will accept as being put forth in a constructive, though perhaps not in a tactful manner. As moderator, I do have several powers which I did not have previously, i.e. the ability to ban members and the ability to edit posts which I fe...

@HMSVF: My thanks to you (and some others who have written 'back-channel') for the supportive comments. It's nice to know the job isn't completely thankless. My regret is that the Bismarck forum seems now to be becoming so polarized that -- somewhat like the U.S. Government -- it's now becoming only...