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by alecsandros
Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:18 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Replies: 1654
Views: 48504

Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait

Dear all, I would like to present 2 aspects concerning Prince of Wales's disengagement at 6:01: 1) The material aspect of Prince of Wales exiting the battle , covered in smoke, and moving away, out to approx 40km N-N-E of Bismarck. 2) The judgment that was behind the disengagement (Prince of Wales w...
by alecsandros
Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:57 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: KGV and PoW GAR during Op. Rheinubung
Replies: 61
Views: 7076

Re: KGV and PoW GAR during Op. Rheinubung

For perspective ,
We should add that most WW2 battleship gun battles were short (10-15 minutes), thus making KGV's record during a 30-min interval , and in an Arctic storm , all the more remarkable.
by alecsandros
Sat Sep 30, 2017 7:59 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Prince Eugane v AGS
Replies: 52
Views: 3983

Re: Prince Eugane v AGS

This is especially important since German Intel were reading merchant codes through 1943. The convoy pattern had been deduced by mid 1941 with signals intercepts through early 1944 , about 1/2 of all N. Atlantic convoys were detected . Only 1/4 of these convoys were attacked due to lack of assets [...
by alecsandros
Fri Sep 29, 2017 8:04 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Prince Eugane v AGS
Replies: 52
Views: 3983

Re: Prince Eugane v AGS

The undoing of the lone warship raider concept was the rise of naval air power during the war. This occurred post 1940. However, in the 1930's naval air power (as well as submarines) remained unproven. True, but that required a large number of long-range aircraft or a significant number of aircraft...
by alecsandros
Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:37 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Prince Eugane v AGS
Replies: 52
Views: 3983

Re: Prince Eugane v AGS

Gentlemen, I can see why the RN would have been worried, especially if more had been built. The only ships that would be capable of catching and outgunning them would have been the KGV's, Hood, Repulse, Renown or failing that two 8x8" cruisers working together, although I suppose it might have been...
by alecsandros
Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:24 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Prince Eugane v AGS
Replies: 52
Views: 3983

Re: Prince Eugane v AGS

The mistake is to think that Hitler and Raeder knew (or should know) what would be the (naval) war. Raeder made long-term plans. If they had guessed what the (naval) war would be, they would not have started it. Lack of experience aside, it was painfully clear that the Kriegsmarine could only wage ...
by alecsandros
Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:01 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Prince Eugane v AGS
Replies: 52
Views: 3983

Re: Prince Eugane v AGS

1. The treaties system 2. Shipbuilding in progress. 3. Vibration problems of diesel engines that would aggravate at higher speeds if the engines were not changed. 4. Cost of rebuilding Only when Hitler denounced the treaties system, did it make sense to retake the concept. But in 1939 it was late. ...
by alecsandros
Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:41 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Prince Eugane v AGS
Replies: 52
Views: 3983

Re: Prince Eugane v AGS

Rasenack, on discovering this after WW2, said that if the encounter had happened he felt there would have been a real risk of the AGS raiding cruise coming to an end before it started. He considered that the eight inch guns posed a real threat. Surely they posed a real threat, especialy at such a l...
by alecsandros
Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:57 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Prince Eugane v AGS
Replies: 52
Views: 3983

Re: Prince Eugane v AGS

Ouch! Not much chance for PE then. Was the amour on AGS that much heavier than PE? In my opinion no, but the key was what would the shell do when encountering the armor. When the 283mm APC shells from AGS come crushing against the 105+30mm (thickest portions) armor belt of PE, that armor can't do m...
by alecsandros
Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:46 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Prince Eugane v AGS
Replies: 52
Views: 3983

Re: Prince Eugane v AGS

... FWIK, there was no essential damage caused by 8" gunfire to AGS during the battle. Instead, AGS crippled Exeter in about 14 minutes of firing, scoring 5 direct hits and 1 crippling near miss (in that time interval), leaving Exeter with only 2 x 203mm workable guns (on local control), bridge dest...
by alecsandros
Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:28 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Prince Eugane v AGS
Replies: 52
Views: 3983

Re: Prince Eugane v AGS

PE was heavier then AGS ( 15000 tons versus 13000 tons ), but that extra weight came from her length (210m vs 186m long), which in turn came from her bigger and stronger machinery (which propelled the ship at 32kts versus 28kts). IN a direct match, I'd give AGS 70/30% chances, as her smaller battery...
by alecsandros
Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:05 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Vanguard and Bismarck
Replies: 81
Views: 8143

Re: Vanguard and Bismarck

I think Vanguard had more protected volume of main citadel then Bismarck did,
because she had a deeper main belt. The protected length being roughly the same, a deeper belt would imply a larger "protected box volume"...
by alecsandros
Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:13 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Teleportation: H Classe in place of Bismarck
Replies: 22
Views: 1929

Re: Teleportation: H Classe in place of Bismarck

One other thought: do we know if Bismarck had a noticeable roll during her motion on the sea that day ?
Some roll at the wrong time could have helped the shell by exposing more un-protected hull (in conjunction with a delta wave...)
Best,
by alecsandros
Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:24 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Teleportation: H Classe in place of Bismarck
Replies: 22
Views: 1929

Re: Teleportation: H Classe in place of Bismarck

@Dave Could be , but that would manifest 1-2 meters to the starboard and port of the ship, or so... A ultra-long functioning fuze and/or a curious underwater trajectory are further required to explain a damage so low in the ship, if that was actualy that deep, and we are not having confused survivor...
by alecsandros
Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:25 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Teleportation: H Classe in place of Bismarck
Replies: 22
Views: 1929

Re: Teleportation: H Classe in place of Bismarck

@Dave British 14" shell falls at 18.2 degrees and 476m/s at 18km. I don't know how it is affected by entry in water. I suppose it loses the windscreen, maybe also the cap, and it's fuze is activated by the sudden decelration caused by changing environments (from air to water density). Not much. The ...