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by alecsandros
Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:26 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck firing procedures at DS
Replies: 968
Views: 61780

Re: Bismarck firing procedures at DS

Herr Nilsson wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:12 pm
I think that is unlikely.
What is more likely then.
by alecsandros
Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:10 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck firing procedures at DS
Replies: 968
Views: 61780

Re: Bismarck firing procedures at DS

Unless the ranging salvos were fired in a similar manner to full salvos as in A+B, C+D in rapid succession but at different ranges and deflections? This makes more sense as per the Baron's account, first salvo was short - a 400m meter bracket was fired where half was long, other straddled, then ful...
by alecsandros
Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:35 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck firing procedures at DS
Replies: 968
Views: 61780

Re: Bismarck firing procedures at DS

Don't know.
Anyhow, the salvos fired by Bismarck as counted by witnesses of Prince of Wales is not relevant, IMHO, in the same way in which the salvos fired by Hood is not relevant when counted by Prinz Eugen eye witnesses.
by alecsandros
Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:11 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck firing procedures at DS
Replies: 968
Views: 61780

Re: Bismarck firing procedures at DS

6) the British count of 5 Bismarck salvos was only when both fire and aft turrets had fired so to the British 1 salvo = A+B, C+D and only then. Probably, although I'm not sure. As far as Bismarck's firing went, I understand she fired initially a ranging group of 3 semisalvos, the 3rd of which strad...
by alecsandros
Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:49 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Anson and Tirpitz
Replies: 55
Views: 2492

Re: Anson and Tirpitz

US Washington class had as well alot of missions (Arctic convoy duty, Guadalcanal fight-to-the-death missions, AAA coverage of fleet carriers, coastal bombardment). Japanese Kongo class (4 units) also had ample war coverage, from carrier escort to coastal bombardment, Java battles, Indian Ocean forr...
by alecsandros
Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:56 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck firing procedures at DS
Replies: 968
Views: 61780

Re: Bismarck firing procedures at DS

This is the exact part I'm having trouble grasping. I struggled with that for some time. The solution (?) came from Thorsten, and from Antonio and David. Bismarck wasn't firing 4 guns simultaneously; if you watch the Denmark Strait battle movie frame by frame, you will observe that the appearance o...
by alecsandros
Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:29 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Prinz Eugen firing procedures at DS
Replies: 31
Views: 2676

Re: Prinz Eugen firing procedures at DS

logically Jasper's 28 salvos must include a mix of 8 and 4 gun salvos. and the initial Vollsalve how many guns had in it ? Page 39 of PE's War Diary states 8 guns. It is a mistranslation. The German variant on pg 38 clearly states "Vollsalve". Vollsalve doesn't have 8 guns. Bear in mind as well tha...
by alecsandros
Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:23 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Prinz Eugen firing procedures at DS
Replies: 31
Views: 2676

Re: Prinz Eugen firing procedures at DS

dunmunro wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:10 pm
logically Jasper's 28 salvos must include a mix of 8 and 4 gun salvos.
and the initial Vollsalve how many guns had in it ?
by alecsandros
Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:21 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck firing procedures at DS
Replies: 968
Views: 61780

Re: Bismarck firing procedures at DS

dunmunro wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:18 pm
On the contrary your table should be posted under Hypothetical Scenarios because you've simply made it up.
Let us see your own version. :whistle:
by alecsandros
Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:58 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Prinz Eugen firing procedures at DS
Replies: 31
Views: 2676

Re: Prinz Eugen firing procedures at DS

"Rapid fire" won't be ordered until a straddle is observed. With all due respect, rapid fire will be ordered by the Artillery Officer on duty according to tactical conditions. If the first salvo of the Vollsalve straddles, and the other 2 (of the same Vollsalve) do not*, it means the range was not ...
by alecsandros
Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:46 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Prinz Eugen firing procedures at DS
Replies: 31
Views: 2676

Re: Prinz Eugen firing procedures at DS

is because her baulky loading system would not allow the rate to speed up, and even then her output was 25% down. Once straddling had been achieved and before future position forecast became accurate, "Good Rapid" would be ordered and the guns would fire as quickly as they could be reloaded whether...
by alecsandros
Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:48 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck firing procedures at DS
Replies: 968
Views: 61780

Re: Bismarck firing procedures at DS

HMSVF wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:38 pm

I think I would be 75 by the time I had read 4 years worth of threads :lol:
And by then, the conversations will continue to pile up :)
It will be like in the myth of Sysyphus
by alecsandros
Wed Sep 26, 2018 11:55 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck firing procedures at DS
Replies: 968
Views: 61780

Re: Bismarck firing procedures at DS

HMSVF wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 11:50 am
Why is British evidence wrong and German evidence taken as gospel?
It's not. For the answer to your questions, you're going to have to go through all the 4 years of debates here on Kbismarck.
OR, better still, just wait for the book.
by alecsandros
Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:02 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck firing procedures at DS
Replies: 968
Views: 61780

Re: Bismarck firing procedures at DS

game is over because this troll is NAKED without any evidence. Full stop. IN that case game was over 3 years ago Alberto ! Nobody learned anything. The only GOOD thing is that you and Antonio exchanged ideas and hopefully will be able to publish them with time, based (in part ) on the discussions p...
by alecsandros
Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:13 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: KGV + PoW
Replies: 106
Views: 7185

Re: KGV + PoW

but weight gain was mitigated by reductions in the 20mm outfit. Radars were also added but obsolete radars had been removed. Again, weight increased but probably by less than 60 tons. It is unknown how much weight was added on Richelieu on various stages. What is known is full load in June 1940 and...