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by George Elder
Thu Feb 24, 2005 6:42 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: "Official" Version of Battle?
Replies: 104
Views: 35090

Yes, enough is enough.

Hi Jose: Yes, the game with Randy grows tedious, and I agree to stop pulling his wings. I think it best that he not respond to me and I not respond to him. The profound and intractable antipathy between us is too much to bridge, and it certainly clouds the discourse. Antonio: My spam filter is nuts....
by George Elder
Thu Feb 24, 2005 10:32 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: "Official" Version of Battle?
Replies: 104
Views: 35090

And this is the problem.

Hi Foeth: This considerable error margin is the same sense that I was getting. And it does appear that there is enough noise, as Dr. F calls it, to result in an error margin that makes either Antonio or Rob's scenerio possible. I am not at all sure that anything can be done to refine the analysis gi...
by George Elder
Thu Feb 24, 2005 7:40 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Summation of Battle Phase Two
Replies: 27
Views: 8327

Trying to stay neutral...

Hi Rob: Trying to stay neutral in all of this is my main goal. I went through a grilling yesterday by a specialist in fluid dynamics that made it quite clear to me that I know little or nothing about some of the technical issues involved. He certainly verified my fear that complexities are being red...
by George Elder
Thu Feb 24, 2005 1:05 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: "Official" Version of Battle?
Replies: 104
Views: 35090

Antonio: Please contact me off line.

Hi Antonio: Please drop me a line at ghe101@aol.com. I have learned a few things that may be of some help. George ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Hi Jose: I sent the relevant claims/positions regarding calculating the Bismarck’s speed via the shell splash method to a fluid dynamics spec...
by George Elder
Wed Feb 23, 2005 11:30 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: "Official" Version of Battle?
Replies: 104
Views: 35090

An Empty Drum...

As usual Randy: Lots of noise, zero substance, probably from too many head blows... :stubborn: And I certainly have sympathy for your poor wife. Gosh, enduring a dinner with you must be akin to having a root cannel with no pain killers. In any event, Foeth is now going over my notes, and he'll help ...
by George Elder
Wed Feb 23, 2005 10:26 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: "Official" Version of Battle?
Replies: 104
Views: 35090

Good advice.

Welcome aboard! I sure hope this thread doesn't get locked up. I'm going to speak with a fellow who can clear up a lot of this mess, and I was lucky he would even talk with me given his work demands. But Dr. F is very intimidating. I can barely understand him on my best days, and he does not suffer ...
by George Elder
Wed Feb 23, 2005 6:05 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: "Official" Version of Battle?
Replies: 104
Views: 35090

Silly boy...

Randy, if you can't define viable, can't use your real name, don't share information freely, etc., how can you teach anyone? :negative: Heck, you couldn't teach a dog to pee. :lol: And after offering to dazzle us, you run for cover. So we'll take the subject up with Dr. F, who specializes in fluid d...
by George Elder
Wed Feb 23, 2005 3:18 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: "Official" Version of Battle?
Replies: 104
Views: 35090

Hysterical Randy.

Gosh, calm down or you'll pop a blood vessel. So many words, and so little said. You claim: "...the apparent motion to be measured, how it was measured and the fact that the effects of the current are inconsequential...well, actually he says the effects don't amount to anything, I agree." Prove it, ...
by George Elder
Wed Feb 23, 2005 12:52 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Turret Armor
Replies: 35
Views: 11132

Interesting

You noted:

UK had side screens since WW-II and I know an all round spaced armor was tested on the centurion. But against large shaped charges it didn't help enough to justifie the expense.

How did this array work against AP and APC shells?

George
by George Elder
Wed Feb 23, 2005 12:12 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: "Official" Version of Battle?
Replies: 104
Views: 35090

Foeth will send you a crying baby picture...

... if you keep this up. Your statments indicate that you've established nothing, especialy the viability of Antonio using the water column as a speed indicater. Heck, and we never even ventured into the directional impetus imparted to the water column by the shell's impact, the current's effect (if...
by George Elder
Tue Feb 22, 2005 9:42 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: "Official" Version of Battle?
Replies: 104
Views: 35090

Yes, there is a lack of understanding here...

... but I think you have the shoe on the wrong foot. I have explained ad nosium why a current cannot exert an identical effect on objects that are of such disparate natures as bubbles and a ship. You already noted that wind is one mitigating factor, which is evident in the differing influence that t...
by George Elder
Tue Feb 22, 2005 6:31 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: "Official" Version of Battle?
Replies: 104
Views: 35090

Pointless...

When I asked you about the relative influence the current has on bubbles vs a BB, I thought you might be able to grasp what you now articlate -- with wind-related surface area effects only being one confound that militates against the current being able to exert congruent influences on both objects ...
by George Elder
Tue Feb 22, 2005 12:56 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Summation of Battle Phase Two
Replies: 27
Views: 8327

There are no saints here.

Hi Bob: You and Antonio both seem very sure about the positions being taken, and both of you have chewed up the other rhetorically. I have watched, and can see no real progress being made at present that would verify that either party has a lock on the truth. Perhaps the photos will lead us somewher...
by George Elder
Tue Feb 22, 2005 12:42 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: "Official" Version of Battle?
Replies: 104
Views: 35090

It is a matter of measuring...

Randy: Antonio has a firm grasp of what I am saying with regard to how the current's direction will influence the calculations of speed if the current is running at an angle relative to the course of the ship and the marker one is using as a speed indicator. This is especily the case if the heading ...
by George Elder
Mon Feb 21, 2005 12:16 pm
Forum: Naval Technology
Topic: About TDS
Replies: 31
Views: 9089

Yes, this is conjecture.

Perhaps a dedicated and in-depth search into this area may prove of interest to you. There has been much written about it to study.

George