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by alecsandros
Sun Jan 17, 2010 6:34 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Fuso V Queen Elizabeth
Replies: 119
Views: 20221

Re: Fuso V Queen Elizabeth

I agree, Dave.
I'll have another read at G&D, and I'll post a more lengthy reply (hopefully with their sources) tomorrow

All the best
by alecsandros
Sun Jan 17, 2010 1:08 am
Forum: World War II
Topic: Revisionist tendencies and Ambrose Sindrome
Replies: 831
Views: 83984

Re: Revisionist tendencies and Ambrose Sindrome

I'll only add this: Some people have to much time on their hands and want to show of in front of others, whatever the cost. All the best I hope that isn't directed at me , old lovey ? I mean whatever for ? No, no, of course not. I was refering to people as David Irving for instance. I quite enjoyed...
by alecsandros
Sat Jan 16, 2010 6:05 pm
Forum: World War II
Topic: Revisionist tendencies and Ambrose Sindrome
Replies: 831
Views: 83984

Re: Revisionist tendencies and Ambrose Sindrome

@ Karl: I;m not saying that I don't udnerstad the reasons for the russian manipulation. What I wanted was to start naming some sources for the revisionist tendencies, so as to have some identifiable facts/events to talk about instead of general afirmations such as "some believe the Germans were...
by alecsandros
Sat Jan 16, 2010 11:00 am
Forum: World War II
Topic: Revisionist tendencies and Ambrose Sindrome
Replies: 831
Views: 83984

Re: Revisionist tendencies and Ambrose Sindrome

Ok, since I see we pretty much agree, I suggest we start naming the origins of the (faulty) revisionist tendencies, both pro and anti - axis. Anti-axis I'll start by naming a few books published in my own country, while under soviet influence (1944-1989): I don't know if they have been translated in...
by alecsandros
Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:27 pm
Forum: World War II
Topic: Revisionist tendencies and Ambrose Sindrome
Replies: 831
Views: 83984

Re: Revisionist tendencies and Ambrose Sindrome

@VeenenbergR:
The paper strength of Kesselring's army was very far away from it's real strength. Estimates vary, but from what I've read there wren't more than 180.000-200.000 Germans (combatants, not including auxiliaries) at any one time in Italy.
by alecsandros
Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:23 pm
Forum: World War II
Topic: Revisionist tendencies and Ambrose Sindrome
Replies: 831
Views: 83984

Re: Revisionist tendencies and Ambrose Sindrome

Byron Angel wrote:My readings suggest that, if the Romanian army was unable to fight successfully due to its lack of modern equipment, it largely fought bravely.


Byron
Yes, our troops fought valiantly, but unfortunately in vain efforts. This is very common thoughout Romania's history.
by alecsandros
Fri Jan 15, 2010 4:48 pm
Forum: World War II
Topic: Revisionist tendencies and Ambrose Sindrome
Replies: 831
Views: 83984

Re: Revisionist tendencies and Ambrose Sindrome

Bgile wrote: You think the terrain might have had some effect as well?
:D
Of course; but you know what I meant.
by alecsandros
Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:54 pm
Forum: World War II
Topic: Revisionist tendencies and Ambrose Sindrome
Replies: 831
Views: 83984

Re: Revisionist tendencies and Ambrose Sindrome

Pretty much agree, except the following: "Romania had also taken territory from Russia in 1919 during the Civil War in that country". We've talked about that a few months ago, IIRC. You are probably refering to present day Republic of Moldova, former Basarabia. This region had been obtaine...
by alecsandros
Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:51 am
Forum: World War II
Topic: Revisionist tendencies and Ambrose Sindrome
Replies: 831
Views: 83984

Re: Revisionist tendencies and Ambrose Sindrome

2. (Allied figures rounded up, axis down so I can't be accused of pro-allied bias...) Brazil & Mexico - ~40,000 troops commited to combat (albeit with considerable resources supplied) Romania - at least 1.2 million Hungary - at least 200,000 (can't find figures so the Strength of second army al...
by alecsandros
Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:19 am
Forum: World War II
Topic: Revisionist tendencies and Ambrose Sindrome
Replies: 831
Views: 83984

Re: Revisionist tendencies and Ambrose Sindrome

The ''minor Axis Powers'' - Finland, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Slovakia and Thailand - all had their own agendas which had largely determined why they were on the Axis side in the first place. They were in the war for what they could get, not to further the career of Hitler, or in the ca...
by alecsandros
Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:28 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Fuso V Queen Elizabeth
Replies: 119
Views: 20221

Re: Fuso V Queen Elizabeth

I may have mistakenly measured a greater slope. Double checking (and assuming my drawing is correct) it ends up about 24 * instead of about 27*. Remember this is FH armour instead of high quality homogenous armour (where the penetration would be much less in this type of impact). The penetration of...
by alecsandros
Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:50 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Fuso V Queen Elizabeth
Replies: 119
Views: 20221

Re: Fuso V Queen Elizabeth

I've watched again the drawings in G&D regarding the damage from the 2nd shell. Dave, you are right about the sloping :) The shell struck the oblique portion of the turret, BUT the steeping angle is very small (5-7 deg?, which in conjuncture whith the falling angle of 13.6 would end up at 18.6-2...
by alecsandros
Thu Jan 14, 2010 3:58 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Fuso V Queen Elizabeth
Replies: 119
Views: 20221

Re: Fuso V Queen Elizabeth

The matter of the turret roof scoop is really not so mysterious if they used FH armour. Factoring in the slope of the turret roof with the angle of fall, and the impact velocity at that range: it should have penetrated intact about 155mm FH armour. The shell actually performed somewhat below what w...
by alecsandros
Thu Jan 14, 2010 10:05 am
Forum: World War II
Topic: Revisionist tendencies and Ambrose Sindrome
Replies: 831
Views: 83984

Re: Revisionist tendencies and Ambrose Sindrome

The problem I have with that statement is it ignores the fact it works both ways... yes certainly some people don't give the Germans enough credit but equally some people give them too much credit. You can't have a rational discussion however if EITHER side is convinced their own "understandin...
by alecsandros
Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:50 am
Forum: World War II
Topic: Revisionist tendencies and Ambrose Sindrome
Replies: 831
Views: 83984

Re: Revisionist tendencies and Ambrose Sindrome

I am also sure the Japanese will never forget or forgive their total military defeat and still think of a way to show the USA that they are no loosers nor are an inferior race (the USA did a lot on propaganda, portraying the Japanese as stupid berserked taka takata's). Japanese POW's were also exec...