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Wadinga » Fri Aug 24, 2018 11:32 am Hello to those who wish to see things shut down, An excellent idea! Gentlemen, It appears that what we are arguing about are several different points 1) Should Capt Leach should have continued the battle instead of dis-engaging, (2 Whether Adml Wake Walker should ...

Please let the two gentlemen clowns alone, this is the only way how to end this stupidity and get back to normal. After all, everyone is entitled to their opinion. If I insist to say that the world is flat and that it was created 6300 years ago by god, and I can prove this by [insert any nonsense h...

Gentlemen, We generally agree that it was very difficult to sink a modern Battleship with gunfire alone so let us look at a totally different scenario, PoW fights on and damages Bismarck some more but takes a hammering from combined fire of 8” & 15” shells and is eventually slowed down enough to...

Alberto wrote - "Hi Byron, on paper, I'm sure Churchill would have sacrificed PoW in exchange with Bismarck, aren't you ? For sure Pound suggested Tovey that the sacrifice of a heavy cruiser was a light prize to pay for maintaining the contact with Bismarck instead of loosing contact. However ...

Sigh! And so it goes on! Gentlemen, This debate is rapidly approaching 150 posts, I have the greatest respect for the knowledge and expertise that you have displayed in them, so let me ask a couple of final questions. it is all very well to quote the heroism of other ships captains who sacrificed th...

Paul Mercer: "For those who believe that the officers were cowards..." "those" are only two persons, so you directly address them. If you want to refer to them as Gentlemen, that is of course totally up to you. I think your story will not affect them, since it seems that they ba...

Hi Alberto, Once again, many thanks for your kind and polite reply (It's beginning to become a rarity from some in this debate!) For those who keep insisting that Capt Leach and to an extent Adml Wake-Walker acted in cowardly manner I put this scenario to them, Gentlemen, Before we go any further wi...

Hi Alberto, Many thanks for your usual courteous reply to my questions although I’m afraid you did not really address my points on the RN on this occasion. Re your comparison to Adml Troubridge, Wake-Walker when Capt of the Cruiser Dragon also faced and lost a sort of CM in the Exchequer Court of Ca...

Gentlemen, While not wanting to get ‘sucked in’ by the ongoing controversy of whether a Court Martial was suggested or should or should not have taken place, it might be worthwhile looking at the records of both Capt Leach and Adm Wake-Walker. Both joined the RN in the early 1900’s and given that in...

Gentlemen, I see the debate is not diminishing! Perhaps someone could take time to answer this for me. If an officer, private or seaman heard or suspected that charges of anything from neglect of duty to cowardice are being prepared or even talked about do they not have a right under the articles of...

Absolutely not!
She, like Hood, Scharnhorst and many other ships are war graves, where brave men from all sides died fighting for their country.
Anyway, can you even begin to think of the logistics of raising whats left of a 52000 ton ship from 15000 feet in the unpredictable Atlantic?
No Chance!

Gentlemen, Have we not had a similar debate re Rodney v Bismarck and the general impression was almost the same as this, especially re Bismarck/KGV being faster and with the end result of both ships beating hell out of each other and retiring without a clear winner? PS, Rightly or wrongly I'd still ...

Hi HMSVF, I'm sorry that, due to the RN hooligans coming in each time to provoke and to insult, I have used "hostile" words: however, they are hostile and they fully deserve them (and worse). I think we have presented several evidences that show what the Court Martial threat was about. Yo...

Gentlemen, I have read through this debate and while I have no wish to enter the fray on a regular basis this is now approaching a record number of posts seemingly without sight of any end, so may I make a few observations and then withdraw? It seems that the debate is mainly split into several subj...

themayneman wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:44 pm Yes I would have thought so Paul, I can't seem to find anything else online

Anyone else have any ideas?