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Antonio, It is possible for that the zone thickness of 40 mm continued to aft on 153 frame (at 153 frames we see the 40-mm armor traverse in the armour diagram), and it is superimposed on the site outside the armor-plate 80-mm thick.

Thorsten Wahl wrote:Hipper class had no external belt. The belt was hidden under the bulge of the "äußerer Wallgang"

Yes of course.
However, in the bow and stern armor belt out of the bulge.

1 ) Do you have the AJ-Press ( Morskie ) book Nr. 33 Admiral Hipper class cz. 1 ???? Yes, I have this book ... 2 ) Do you have the drawings by Bernand & Graefe verlag about Admiral Hipper ? The one that often are published by Koop/Schmolke ??? I have book by Koop/Schmolke about Admiral Hipper, ...

Antonio Bonomi wrote: can you post here the drawing from Groner so we can see what you are looking for ?

Hi, Antonio.
I am interested in this place in the armor belt of "Hipper".
Specifically, the thickness of armor.

Ersatz Yorck wrote:I am temted to go on a basement exploring expediton to dig up Schmalenbachs "Schwererer Kreuzer Prinz Eugen", it should be down there somewhere, he might mention something about it, though I suspect that might be a lengthy undertaking...

In the Schmalenbach book no information about this.

So you don' t know if the Hipper had GHG system? At the moment I'm not interested in this question, sorry ... :oops: Here is a czech article on Hipper class with some details on armor lay out. Heres an rough English translation . Thanks, but I do know ...:) I am interested in information about a sp...

Paul L wrote:So your saying it took lots of work to install the GHG system on the Hipper after it was built?

I just assumed, why GHG-system could not mounted in "Hipper".

Actually, I'm interested in armored scheme of this cruisers, rather than their acoustics system.

Paul L wrote: Not sure what the last part means, can you explain? ...... "was a lot of papers on the hull"

Excuse, my error...
Answered at night.

I wanted to write "lot of works"

It's part of a wake-damping system fitted to the starboard side of the ship. It produces the illusion of a much-reduced forward speed by altering the ship's wake foam and (night-time) phosphorescence trail astern, making the ship appear to be doing not more than about 15 knots when, in fact, it is ...

Glad to provide some humour for you. :wink: :D Pr Eugen, OK here's another theory for you to mull over. Some kind of paravane/boat handling protection pad/fender to protect the hull plating. The boat handling booms are directly above these features and it's far too thick to be armour. Unlikely... O...

Good joke ...

Hipper and Blucher had no GHG-system.

Jack B. wrote:With the sloping edges to the plate it is hard to tell the exact thickness.

I have suggested that the zone thickness of 40 mm continued to aft on 153 frame (at 153 frames we see the 40-mm armor traverse in the armour diagram), and it is superimposed on the site outside the armor-plate 80-mm thick.

To me, when looking at all the pictures, and all the info I have on the Hipper class and Prinz Eugen, I believe that the armour is 80mm belt that is extending outside the bulge to frame 167.5 I also have a fairly large amount of information about the heavy cruisers of Admiral Hipper class. And sour...

I don't think that it is some additional thickness of armor. I can think of two possibilities. The most likely is that it is the normal armor belt which did stand out from the skin of the ship. The reason that it appears to be only a patch is that a portion of the armor belt aft of it has been remo...

Beware of the multitude of pop-ups you will get if you click on the above picture. I'm sorry. :oops: I'm not clear on what is being asked - the bulge isn't streamlined and it doesn't look to me to be a permanent part of the ship, as it would drag in the water and slow the ship down.... I am interes...