Bismarck Paint storage

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Bismarck Paint storage

Postby minoru genda » Fri Feb 05, 2010 3:19 am

Looking at this picture I asked myself how much paint was storaged in the Bismarck and where? Was the paint inside a big tank like the fuel-oil, or buckets were stored inside a room below decks? Any idea?

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Re: Bismarck Paint storage

Postby hammy » Fri Feb 05, 2010 1:32 pm

Paint , and the "thinners" to wash the brushes in is a real hazard on all ships , and is usually put as far away as you can get it , which is usually in a " paint locker " room right up in the point of the bows . Before electric power was common at sea there was usually a "Lamp room" away up there too to keep all the flammable parafin/kerosene "lamp oil" as far as possible out of harms way .
The paint was supplied to the ships in big drums , and then poured into paint "Kettles" - a simple tin pot with a wire handle for the painters to use . As your photo shows , painting ship was a highly complicated business , not least because if it came on to rain halfway through , your ship would look a complete mess , and the senior officers professional reputation was in part dependant on smart appearance . As well as the hands detailed to paint , you needed deck parties to raise and lower the planks on which they perched , parties to keep the supply of paint going and dispense material , parties to clean up , Fire pickets due to the quantity of fumes and the possibility these could get drawn into ventilation and air intakes , and seaboats manned and in the water to rescue any "fallen" .

There is actually a case of a British Naval Commander (-- a ships 2 i/c , exec , and the guy responsible for "housekeeping" aboard ) giving the order "Hands paint ship" on a pre-dreadnought battleship actually in action against Turkish forts in the Dardanelles , though in that case it was the upper structure on the unengaged side was what he was intent on decorating .
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Re: Bismarck Paint storage

Postby foeth » Fri Feb 05, 2010 6:53 pm

IIRC, the paint store for Bismarck is just above the propeller shaft lines, deep within the hull.

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Re: Bismarck Paint storage

Postby José M. Rico » Sat Feb 06, 2010 9:36 pm

Section II- Port side. Raum für feuergefährliche Farben (Room for inflammable colors).

Hammy, great post! :ok:

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Re: Bismarck Paint storage

Postby hammy » Sun Feb 07, 2010 1:22 am

Why Gracias Senhor !

We aim to please .

Often dont hit though ! :D
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Re: Bismarck Paint storage

Postby Thorsten Wahl » Thu Feb 11, 2010 7:23 am

weight S IV Malerwerkstatt (Paintshop) 220 t
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Re: Bismarck Paint storage

Postby Herr Nilsson » Thu Feb 11, 2010 11:11 am

220 t is the weight of the already done paintwork.
The projected weight of paint consumables was 9,530 t.
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Re: Bismarck Paint storage

Postby foeth » Thu Feb 11, 2010 11:34 am

More paint that fuel?

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Re: Bismarck Paint storage

Postby Herr Nilsson » Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:45 pm

foeth wrote:More paint that fuel?

Uuups! . is , and , is . in German

of course 9.35 t
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Re: Bismarck Paint storage

Postby Olaf » Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:55 pm

Herr Nilsson wrote:
foeth wrote:More paint that fuel?

Uuups! . is , and , is . in German

of course 9.35 t

This is still quite a weight though... (no matter if 9.35 or 9.53... hehehe...)

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Re: Bismarck Paint storage

Postby Herr Nilsson » Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:59 pm

:oops:

once again typo

9.53 t is right (und für unsere deutschen Freunde natürlich 9,53 t) :lol:
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Re: Bismarck Paint storage

Postby José M. Rico » Fri Feb 12, 2010 9:14 pm

Ulrich Rudofsky translated the whole weight groups for me time ago. Here is the SIV weight group:

SIV Malerwerkstatt (Painter's shop)

1. Aufbaudeck und Brücken (superstructure and bridges)
2. Oberdeck (upper deck)
3. Batteriedeck (battery deck)
4. Panzerdeck (armored deck)
5. Zwischendeck (tween deck)
6. Plattformdeck (platform deck)
7. Maschinen usw. Räume (engine etc rooms)
8. Sonstige Räume (other rooms)
9. Doppelboden (double bottom)
10. Außenbords, unter Wasser (outboard below waterline)
11. Außenbords, über Wasser (outboard above waterline)
12. Zementierungen (cemetings)
13. Besondere Anstriche (special paint jobs)

Overall weight: 186 mt (on 21.7.1940)

As Marc said, this is the whole weight for the paint already applied everywhere on the ship, including interior.

I suppose 9.53 t would be enough to paint the top of the turrets, hull black/white stripes, and other minor work like they did on the Grimstadfjord on 21 May.

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Re: Bismarck Paint storage

Postby hammy » Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:27 pm

10.000 tons of paint ! Be a laugh if someone in the Kreigsmarine read the wrong line on the manufacturers list , and ordered " Peach Blossom " by mistake wouldn't it :dance: ! ! !

I think those figures are extrapolations from square metres of area , multiplied by the manufacturers figures for average coverage per litre .

The quantity actually used would vary quite wildly away from those , depending on the conditions under which it was applied ( and also how much of the stock was traveling illicitly elsewhere , lost in the consumption for legitimate uses . :negative: )

In British service all this loot used to be known as "Willoughby and Dodsons ; - Broad Arrowhead Brand" ( because MoD property here is mostly marked " WD -->" :D

I've known Land Rovers and Bedford Trucks been smuggled out of the gate before now . :whistle:

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Re: Bismarck Paint storage

Postby RF » Mon Feb 15, 2010 2:14 pm

hammy wrote:I've known Land Rovers and Bedford Trucks been smuggled out of the gate before now . :whistle:

Royal Logistics Corps Storekeeper Sergeant ( as they are nowadays ) ....... best income in the whole Army ! ! ! :oops:


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Re: Bismarck Paint storage

Postby minoru genda » Tue Feb 16, 2010 7:16 pm

Thank you all.
9.53 t of paint makes sense. That would occupy about 10 cubic meters maybe? (don't know the specific gravity of paint :( )

Do you know the paint storage of the Graf Spee? This ship changed colors all the time to disguise the enemy during her Atlantic sortie, so a lot of paint used there too.
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