Re: Bismarck Speed
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:34 pm
I don't understand what Iowa's speed related in any way with Bismarck's one. Bismarck was a battleship, Iowa was an aircraft carrier escort that needs to be fast.
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I quote myself:dunmunro wrote: I am not the first person to express concerns about the discrepancy between published shipyard trials data at 43000mt and speed claims for Bismarck and Tirpitz.
Much more interesting is that Breyer/Koop are citing Groener. There we can find the same table like the "Results of Dockyard Tests for Bismarck at a Displacement of 43,000 tonnes". http://bismarck-class.dk/technicallayou ... inery.html
But the title in Breyer/Koop is a misquotation. Groener writes "Berechnung der Gesamtleistung der Dreiwellenturbinenanlage mit 12 Kesseln auf Grund eines Probefahrtdeplacement von 43000t":
"Calculation of the total power of the three shaft turbine plant based on trial run displacement of 43,000 t".
I can't get too worked up about the exact speed of any ship at one particular time - in operations it really depends on the dispacement and hull and machinery conditions as to what could actually be acheived (also if more than one ship was in company it is likely that on most occassions not total top speed would be used, first such that the slower ship could keep up and also to allow a "bit extra" for relative manoevres.dunmunro wrote:
........... Also, I just noticed some new info regarding the Iowa class maximum speed that has been posted on the navweaps site, so the issue of Iowa's maximum speed seems to have finally been clarified.
The only relationship is that of an unsolved historical problem, but it also provides another point of comparison:Karl Heidenreich wrote:I don't understand what Iowa's speed related in any way with Bismarck's one. Bismarck was a battleship, Iowa was an aircraft carrier escort that needs to be fast.
PoW also had its speed reduced to 26kts after the battle, because of the flooding and underwater damage.paul.mercer wrote: I don't think there is any argument in the fact that an undamaged Bismarck had at least a two knot advantage over the KGv class. However, after the battle with Hood and PoW it seems that Bismarck had to reduce her speed in order to get collision mats over the hole in her bows, even if her speed was reduced to 28 knots it would mean that she had little chance of catching PoW
http://www.hmshood.com/history/denmarks ... amage1.htmdunmunro wrote:PoW's log proves that she was making shaft RPM greater than her nominal full power and logging speeds greater than 28 knots, from 0600 to 0700 May 24, 1941. However, this is OT for this thread topic.
"0500- Log: 295.2; Distance Run through the Water: 28 miles and 8 tenths;
True Course: 240; Mean Revolutions per minute: 235.8
0600- Log: No readings taken following action; Distance Run through the
Water: 29 miles and 1 tenth; True Course: Var (various); Mean Revolutions
per Minute: 239"
"0700 listing is 28 miles and 4 tenths at 231.8 rpm
Shaft rpm is not a measure of speed, but only a hint onto which speed the ship was traveling.dunmunro wrote:
"0700 listing is 28 miles and 4 tenths at 231.8 rpm
Yes, and we have two metrics, shaft RPM (231.8)and pitometer log speed (28.4 knots), and they both agree.alecsandros wrote:Shaft rpm is not a measure of speed, but only a hint onto which speed the ship was traveling.dunmunro wrote:
"0700 listing is 28 miles and 4 tenths at 231.8 rpm
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Is there an online source for pitometer the log ?dunmunro wrote:
Yes, and we have two metrics, shaft RPM (231.8)and pitometer log speed (28.4 knots), and they both agree.
No, Paul Allen of the HMS Hood website sent me the log entries and I made them public by posting them on several websites, such as here.alecsandros wrote:
Is there an online source for pitometer the log ?