tommy303 wrote:I think, besides the perception on the part of the Baron and a few others, part of the testimony about a delay in the British finding the range came from at least one survivor of Commander Oels' team in command central which directed damage control operations. At any rate, Rodney had problems early on with her gunnery due to a difficulty in obtaining accurate ranges, but it has been so long since I have read about it that I can no longer recall the details. The British opened fire at about 0848, but did not begin to obtain hits until after 0900, so it is possible the Baron's perception was not wrong. I do seem to recall that after a few initial salvos, Rodney ceased fire due to course changes and did not resume fire until about 0918.
jason spurr wrote:I am sorry for the delay in replying to your posts. I have been away for the last few weeks and will endeavor to post a reply very soon..
jason spurr wrote: Very interesting to me is Wadinga's opening sentence in his last post. The track plan of Victorious supplied by Herr Nilsson, it doesn't convince me in the slightest. First of all after a zig zag coarse the Victorious seemed to be steaming to Iceland with the Kenya to refuel. Then at 0535 on the 27Th she detached from Kenya and virtually backtracked by herself to the UK. So much for her being low on fuel!! If you calculate the distance she traveled after her strike on the 24Th, it is greater then if she was to stay with the Bismarck and then return home after the sinking. Even when the Kenya left her on the morning of the 27Th her position from the Clyde is somewhat greater from home then from where the Bismarck was sunk.
55. Meanwhile, those forces which could not reach the most probable track of the enemy were moving to cover alternative possible movements. The Manchester and the Birmingham took up the Iceland-Faeroes patrol, and the Arethusa that of the Denmark Strait, with air patrols of all the northern passages to assist. The Rear-Admiral Commanding, Second Cruiser Squadron, in the Galatea, with the Victorious, Kenya, Aurora and Hermione in company, proceeded towards the Iceland-Faeroes passage, carrying out air searches on the way. The cruisers had not enough fuel left to escort the Victorious to the Bay and she could not be allowed to proceed unescorted.
56. Two Swordfish aircraft were lost during the air searches on 25th and 26th May; but the crew of one of them had a remarkable escape. The aircraft landed alongside a ship's lifeboat, unoccupied but complete with provisions and water, and the crew spent nine days in the boat before being picked up by a merchant vessel. One of the Fulmar crews was also rescued by a merchant vessel.
57. The Prince of Wales also proceeded towards Iceland; and destroyers were sent out to screen her and the Victorious. The Suffolk, after her search, was too short of fuel to steam at the high speed necessary to come up with the Bismarck; considerable forces were better placed than she was for intercepting an enemy movement to the south-eastward and the Commanding Officer considered he would be better employed covering the Victorious in the northern area, where there was nothing more powerful than a 6-in. cruiser. He therefore set course to the north-eastward until he was instructed, on 26th May, to proceed to an area in the Davis Strait south-west of Cape Farewell and search for enemy supply ships.
jason spurr wrote: Some people don't agree with RF's statement that there were only 300 or so survivors in the water after the Bismarck disappeared beneath the waves, myself being one of them. During an interview in 2004 Bruno Rzonca, a survivor from the Bismarck stated when asked, that there were around 1000 men in the water. It seems that everything we read RF is not necessarily the truth!
If you were so sure that the Victorious was not present during the final battle you would not be asking the web master of the Victorious association to elaborate on that fact..
As for the last post that seemed to address Captain Martins actions during the rescue, well yes his main aim was to protect his ship and the men, but you carn't help thinking that his action were fueled more by revenge then the fact that there was a major threat in the water.
I do hope 2013 will shed new light on this mystery.........
. So the internationally recognised "black flag of parley" was not black at at all but blue, and hoisted to avoid the possibility of trigger-happy u-boats torpedoing the ship they were supposed to be helping. Given that various survivors were confident the Kriegsmarine War Flag was flying as the ship sank, the whole sensationalist "Bismarck was trying to surrender" construct crumbles into nothing, as the misconstrued remembrance of a misinformed old sailor. Hmmm, I wonder what we can learn from this......Prisoners mentioned that "Bismarck" had hoisted a blue flag as a recognition signal for submarines
information will be dismissed as another falsehood.As British ships approached many of the swimmers shouted: "Come away! the English will shoot us!" and actually a number of men started swimming away from their would-be rescuers. Blame for this attitude must be attributed to the false propaganda with which these men had been imbued. When it was found that there was no shooting and, on the contrary, every effort was made to pick men up, prisoners admitted that they had been deceived.
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jason spurr wrote:It has been hard for me to swallow the fact the Victorious was not present during the final battle and played no further part in the Bismarck's sinking.. But with all the evidence you gentlemen have provided, I have no choice...
I honestly want to thank all you men for the time you have given me, I do hope there is no hard feelings.
All the best
jason spurr wrote:I honestly want to thank all you men for the time you have given me, I do hope there is no hard feelings.
All the best
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