Prinz Eugen towing Bismarck?
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Tommy's
datas are correct. When PE stayed with Bismarck, PE would have needed fuel from the big brother.
Bismarck could not do anything outside against the rudder damage caused by weather conditions, thats true, too. But internally they could have cut the connections of the rudder in the case another ship could assist with a torpedo hit against the damaged rudder.
For shuttle:
Even big battleships as Bismarck had the opportunity to use torpedos.
Kind regards,
L.
Bismarck could not do anything outside against the rudder damage caused by weather conditions, thats true, too. But internally they could have cut the connections of the rudder in the case another ship could assist with a torpedo hit against the damaged rudder.
For shuttle:
Even big battleships as Bismarck had the opportunity to use torpedos.
Kind regards,
L.
Re: Tommy's
Why do you say these outlandish things? Please ... at least read about some of these things if you are going to make posts about them.Laurenz wrote:datas are correct. When PE stayed with Bismarck, PE would have needed fuel from the big brother.
Bismarck could not do anything outside against the rudder damage caused by weather conditions, thats true, too. But internally they could have cut the connections of the rudder in the case another ship could assist with a torpedo hit against the damaged rudder.
For shuttle:
Even big battleships as Bismarck had the opportunity to use torpedos.
Kind regards,
L.
Bismarck's crew worked for a very long time trying to disconnect the damaged rudder and failed. You actually think someone can shoot a torpedo at another ship and hit a small target like a rudder? And what the explosion would do to Bismarck?
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PE didn't have the fuel to do it, shuttle. OK so she could refuel from BS, but you can't be at the front towing and at the back refuelling at the same time! So a very complicated procedure would have to follow for PE to nip back and forth to tow/refuel/tow/refuel. You think the RN are just going to watch while this happens?
As for blowing the rudder off with a torpedo, I think the RN would supply them just to save themselves the shells.
Let us not forget also that, whilst BS was a beautiful ship, very powerful, and full of dedicated and brave sailors, her survival would have meant the deaths of many merchant seamen. It's a sad fact that such a beautiful ship was being controlled by an evil regime.
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Ian
As for blowing the rudder off with a torpedo, I think the RN would supply them just to save themselves the shells.
Let us not forget also that, whilst BS was a beautiful ship, very powerful, and full of dedicated and brave sailors, her survival would have meant the deaths of many merchant seamen. It's a sad fact that such a beautiful ship was being controlled by an evil regime.
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Dear Bgile,
dear Lutscha,
i know the that the rudder damage caused the flooding of some parts in the stern section.
This thread dicuss the theoretically that Lütjens kept PE beside Bismack, correct?
The weather conditions were too bad for divers, correct?
When your ship is not able to manouvre and the enemy is one day behind you, the conclusion is you will lose your ship. So its better to take risk to have a small chance than to do nothing. And a torpedo from another ship is a possible solution.
And Bismarcks 2 rudders were so small?
Another possebility is to towl the damaged rudder by PE. Maybe it would have helped to move it again.
Kind regards,
L.
dear Lutscha,
i know the that the rudder damage caused the flooding of some parts in the stern section.
This thread dicuss the theoretically that Lütjens kept PE beside Bismack, correct?
The weather conditions were too bad for divers, correct?
When your ship is not able to manouvre and the enemy is one day behind you, the conclusion is you will lose your ship. So its better to take risk to have a small chance than to do nothing. And a torpedo from another ship is a possible solution.
And Bismarcks 2 rudders were so small?
Another possebility is to towl the damaged rudder by PE. Maybe it would have helped to move it again.
Kind regards,
L.
Towing
All,
This business is all imagination. Try turning the steering wheel of your car to full right or left, then take the key out, then try and get somebody to tow it. It can't be done.
PG was good at ramming light cruisers and almost cutting them in half. Maybe this was a talent which could have been tried. However all it would have done is deliver two disabled ships to Tovey.
All the Best
wadinga
This business is all imagination. Try turning the steering wheel of your car to full right or left, then take the key out, then try and get somebody to tow it. It can't be done.
PG was good at ramming light cruisers and almost cutting them in half. Maybe this was a talent which could have been tried. However all it would have done is deliver two disabled ships to Tovey.
All the Best
wadinga
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Re: Prinz Eugen towing Bismarck?
It was not possible for P E to tow Bismarck even if she was there because Bismarck was almost constant attack by destroyers most of the night, its not possible to hook up a tow under constant torpedoe attack, not to mention the very rough sea conditions.
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Re: Prinz Eugen towing Bismarck?
... True,Ricky wrote:It was not possible for P E to tow Bismarck even if she was there because Bismarck was almost constant attack by destroyers most of the night, its not possible to hook up a tow under constant torpedoe attack, not to mention the very rough sea conditions.
still there is the possibility that there would have been no rudder torp hit, had PRinz Eugen been there.
Her flak, well trained crew, and simple confusing presence might have changed things significantly.
Without the rudder hit, there would have been no night-interception by Vian's destroyers or by HMS Sheffield.
We can't know what would have happened on the 27th - perhaps Ark Royal's torp-bobmers would have crippled both ships, and allowed the British heavy ships to converge on them and destroy them.
But insofar as the fatal torp hit on May 26th goes, my gut says there was a good chance that wouldn't have happened at all, provided the Prinz were nearby.